Quote# 139135

We condemn homosexuality as a major sin. In fact, the Yasir Qadhi quote on this is wrong and misleading too because he said: "This question should be irrelevant to this discussion because Islam doesn't allow the killing of anyone even if you disagree with them. Our position should be that Islam has a specific moral and ethical code and opinion, but this does not preclude others from the legal and political right to practice as they please."

This is wrong and misleading because:

a) He said Islam doesn't allow killing such people when the shariah punishment is the death penalty (yes I know we can't implement the penalty as vigilantes cos' we aren't under Islamic rule- but to deliberately ignore the Islamic penalty altogether gives the wrong impression, is trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes about the true Islamic view on the matter)

b) He said Islam has a moral and ethical code and opinion and then goes on to say that this doesn't preclude the homos "legal and political right" to practise what they please. Islam is legal and political. Islamic political and legal rules not only forbid this but punish this so he's trying to mislead the ummah in order to please the kufaar. Not only does Islam carry a legal and political set of laws that we are under obligation to restore the implementation of, but Yasir also then tries to imply that the "legal and political rights" under kufr law are reason enough for their laws to be obeyed even though that law is in direct opposition to what Allah (swt) and His Messenger (saw) commanded. Whatever happened to that old chestnut the scholars for dollars used to say "we have to obey the law of the land as long as it doesn't contradict Islam"? Now they're advising to still obey the law of the land knowing full well it's opposition to what Allah (swt) ordered.

c) He said we need to "live and let live so neither imposes their lifestyle on the other", but the kufaar ARE imposing their lifestyle on us! They have already imposed their laws, they have already uprooted the Islamic system of governance we had last century, they have already placed our lands such as Iraq and Palestine under occupation of the kufaar and her agents, jailing and torturing those who call for the implementations of Islam... now in the US they are imposing this promotion of acceptance of homosexual rights upon us, to the point that if your home is a B&B, you have no legal right to refuse to let homo couples stay there and if you're a baker, you have no legal right to refuse to bake a wedding cake for their gay marriage. Isn't that IMPOSING the promotion of their beliefs over and above our own?

There's so much more I can say on this, a whole book can be written on just how much that one quote is attempting to "defend" the Muslim view but in fact under the surface is just as responsible for pushing the anti Islam, secular agenda

neelu, Ummah 5 Comments [7/24/2018 9:43:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 139130

History has proven that established religion is one of the biggest causes of war, killing, rapes, and every other form of wickedness imaginable. In fact, the Bible has nothing good to say about religion. Jesus Christ, Who was God in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16), never started a religion. Jesus started the church, but it wasn't meant to be a religion.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 16 Comments [7/24/2018 9:43:13 AM]
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Quote# 139128

I do like a good introduction. Also, thank you for pointing out that bisexual women do have privilege over lesbians and do oppress us. The current mindfuck narrative is that lesbians and gay men are somehow treated just as well as heterosexuals due to only being in romantic relationships with one sex. They like to call us “monosexuals” which used to be a term for a narcissistic person who masturbated too much, because calling lesbians and gay men sexual deviants is sooooo progressive. The popular lie is that bisexuals don’t have to worry about homophobia, oh no, it’s those mean gays and especially those mean lesbians that cause all their problems!

Bisexual women (and some het women) who are trans boot-lickers like to call lesbians “genital-obsessed” even though they are dick-lovers who are obsessed with making sure other women do as the patriarchy commands and fuck men. (For some “mysterious” reason though, they have less problems with het men who say no to the trans cult.) I also recall many online discussions about lesbian issues being derailed by obnoxious bisexual women who were mad it wasn’t about them, despite how some of these women like to pretend to be us. That said, there are some bisexual women I like and who do have a radical way of thinking. There is one blogger who is very good and calling out the trans cult and the bs that counts for bi-activism, but just her and a few others is not enough.

(Also, the phenomenon of people who claim to be bisexual or pansexual but immediately go back to just having het relationships after their first brush with homophobia shows that it is in fact homophobia they need to worry about, not “mean” homosexuals.) I never used the word “queer” to describe myself and it is illogical to use a word that now has such a diluted meaning. This is why I think it’s really important to not let the trans cult have anymore of our words. Plus, a lot of people were labeling others as “queer” without their consent and calling lesbians “queer women” to erase their lesbianism. There’s nothing wrong with reclaiming a slur for yourself if it applies to you, but you shouldn’t be naming others with it without their permission.

I think your writing style is great. Some academic writers are good, but many are just bad at it. People in STEM careers are notoriously bad at communicating and I often find myself asking, “What the hell is this crap?” One of my former lab instructors told me that good communication is considered secondary for most journal articles and you really just want to cram in as much jargon as possible to sound smart. The interesting thing is that the journal articles with a lot of jargon sometimes have disappointing results or you can just tell that the people who wrote it were bored out of their minds.

Lizzy Shaw, Radical Lesbian Feminist writing 7 Comments [7/24/2018 9:42:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 139121

I want to crush white knights

So this one girl I was talking with told me this story that really angered me. She said she was riding the subway, when some old creep started feeling up a girl; another guy saw this happening, and beat the shit out of the creep right there in the train. She was saying this with full approval (and a degree of attraction) for the vigilante, of course.

I'm a creep. And sooner or later some piece of shit white-knight is going to try to harm me (as a way to impress women). This type of violent confrontation seems almost inevitable if I start pestering women in public (which I am planning to). And if not a white-knight, it may be the girl's boyfriend. Knowing the fight is coming makes me want to prepare for battle.

I'm going to work-out, practice martial-arts, ad perhaps even carry weapons. Instead of being fearful, I can welcome the excuse to bash the head of a do-gooder into the concrete.

Does anyone else feel they will be attacked by white-knights if they cold-approach? Do you feel a need to become strong enough to defend yourself?

The End, incels.me 18 Comments [7/24/2018 2:49:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 139120

Ugly guys with hot chicks. I dont fucking get it.

Sometimes I see ugly disfigured retards that from my perspective should be mogged by every incel on this site with hot Stacy tier women at their sites.

At the same time getting a woman to talk to me for like 30 seconds already seems like rocket science to me. I feel like you must study at university for 20 years the psychology of femoids before you can get laid. It is a complete mystery to me how anyone can get laid.

But I see retarded douchebags slaying Stacies. I just cant make sense out of that. I think I will soon make creep photos to show you examples. There are 2/10 manlets from Syria with 9/10 Stacies here. Its a fucking mystery to me.

Dont you ever see really ugly guys with Stacies?

virgin4life, incels.me 13 Comments [7/24/2018 2:49:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 139117

Garbage. I know what youre trying to do recruiting more weak gullible people with your mind control. Lemme tell you something. I know who runs your church. Not everyone is stupid here. We know what you stand for. There is many soldiers of GOD, true bold and righteous men out there exposing your garbage and your church and your teachings of Alister Crowley, Lavey , magick and withcraft and satanic ritual abuse. Jesus defeated your weak master and no matter what you do and what you believe you will lose in the end. You might get away with a lot here on earth but you will burn in hell for an eternity , Where there is weeping, moaning, gnashing of teeth, sorrow, pain an misery for 24/7 YOU BETTER repent you devil.

Isaiah 5:20–24 (KJV)

20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

22 Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

23

Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

24

Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Acts 8:22 (KJV)

Repent therefore of this thywickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

Carl Winters, Quora 8 Comments [7/24/2018 2:49:10 AM]
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Quote# 139114

Another, Brenda Walker, a Sierra Club member, recently urged readers of the anti-immigrant Web site www.vdare.com to join the club and vote for the outside candidates.

In a column about Hmong immigrants on that site, she wrote, ''So will thousands of drug-addicted polygamists be welcomed into America in another escalation of multiculturalism against American values?'

Brenda Walker, VDARE 8 Comments [7/23/2018 4:05:54 PM]
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Quote# 139111

[Re. the congregants of Harvest Baptist Church]

I have been put outside the gate with Jesus, shunned away, even prohibited from simply attending church services by Bob Jones graduate churches, all because they refuse to serve God correctly, and I am MUCH closer to the Lord and truth than they are.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 15 Comments [7/23/2018 4:05:22 PM]
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Quote# 139110

On the vegetable police:

Now, he's saying, "Oh no. I haven't got better. I've got to do the carnivore diet. I'm going to eat a diet comprised exclusively of the corpses of torture victims. That is my diet now. I'll wake up in the morning and I'm going to eat carcass. That's what I'm going to eat. I'm going to eat somebody's tortured corpse for every meal of the day. Every day, I'm going to eat nothing exclusively but corpse. Sod my ethics, sod all of that, I'm just going to eat meat from now on, because my health.", but this is the ridiculous thing. If you haven't seen this, GojiMan recently made a video saying "Bro, I know what's wrong with your intestinal issues. You've got this, this, this and you could probably cure it if you got this test arm to find out what you need to do and you can probably do this thing and that thing and then you'll probably be fine. So, your microbiome is basically trash, then you need to take a test to find out in which way it's trashed and then we can work together and come up with a solution and then you'll be doing great and you'll be absolutely doing really well", but instead of doing this, instead of taking that offer, he was "Oh no.". He just decided: "I don't care about any of that. I don't want to try. I don't want to put any effort in. I don't want to lift a finger or pay for any test. I'll spend loads of money on this, eh, new audio interface from audient I've bought and I've got this expensive camera here and I've got thios flute in Malaysia or wherever you've gone recently. Oh, don't worry about spending your money on that or spend any money on tests. Oh no. I'm just going to eat the carnivore diet. I don't care about the animals. I don't care about the environment. Oh, I don't care about any of that. I'm just going to do the carnivore diet because I don't give a shit. " That is what he's doing now. After GojiMan was like, "Not only I'm going to help you. I'm going to do it for free." and now he's made a video saying "Not only I'm going to help you and do it for free. Invest my time to help you for free. I'm also going to pay partially towards your test with all the money I've made from my YouTube channel. I'm going to give you that money to do the test. To see what's wrong with you and help you and walk you along every step of the way and we can get to the bottom of this together. I'm going to help you out and do all this. Not only all of that. He's going to do a GoFundMe to raise the additional money for Kasey. ". But no, he doesn't care about that, does he? No, he's too difficult. He doesn't want to do any of that. He just wants to do the carnivore diet. Why? Because he's just a bandwagon jumping cuck who doesn't actually care about the animals and he's never cared about the animals. He has only cared about his own health and just what's trendy and just doing the latest fad, gimmick bullshit, because he's hooked into any crap that people write on the internet because he has zero clue about nutrition and he's a spineless cuck.

The thing is that he was quite funny when he came out as a holocaust denying neo-nazi blame the jews all of the world's problems. That was the sort of funny, the sort of "Oh, what you're doing now" case. That was sort of funny, but now this. This just crossed the line. Just crossed the line. Lost all respect for Kasey now. Just what is he doing? He's just basically floating about, doesn't know what he's doing. The only reason why his channel is good and why anyone watches it is because he's somewhat entertaining. Now, he's not even vegan anymore. He's gone a 190 just eating murder victims. He's just eating corpses. He's demanding the death of innocent beings. I can't watch this guy anymore. He's just profoundly confused, lost all direction and just doesn't have a clue. But not only am I disappointed, it's so stupid, because he thinks he's going to heal his gut bacteria by eating the very food that inflames, eh, inflames intestines. Think of all those ulsters in his intestines. All of the damage, inflammation. How trashed his intestines are going to look compared to a normal person. He's got a disease. He's got gut disease. How trashed are his intestines going to look inside. Oh wait, in 48 hours, bam, it's all cured, so we got Shawn bacon, we've got milk jar saying: "Hey look. Meat heals, because in 48 hours he's gone from having gut issues to completely cured in 48 hours." Is that the case? Is that what's really happening here? No, it's not. What's happening is that he can't prabably eat oxalates or it's probably his gut flora because it's trashed. He can't ingest those things because it's getting a reaction to those oxalates or histamines or whateve GojiMan was talking about. He knows more about this than I do. Because not only that, he's actually been through this himself. So he's saying that when he eats vegetables and especially certain vegetables as high in oxalates, they're going to create a rotten reaction in his gut and he's going to get problems. You might get pain, indigestion, might run into the bathroom or something and that's because his microwaved bacteria, his gut flora, the microbiome is trashed currently and he needs to sort it out. But instead of sorting that out because he's getting reactions to certain copounds with implants which are obviously very healthy, but he just can't digest them properly because his microbiome is trashed. Instead of working on that so he can digest the healthiest foods on the planet which are plants. Instead of doing that he's just stopping eating plants entirely and he's going to eat the very food which causes inflammation of the intestines, causes cancer, causes Alzheimer's disease, causes diabetes. A whole myriad like Shaun Baker. He's got diabetes. His blood work shows he's got diabetes. So he's going to develop all these horrible things and then the second he starts eating normal food again he's going to be in a whole world of pain in a whole world of shit and if he doesn't jump off the bandwagon and of this meat carnival diet and start eating normal food again. Well, at some point, when is he going to get cancer? When is he going to get some sort of debilitating disease. It's only so long until he's going to get profoundly ill from eating nothing but flesh. Who eats nothing but flesh long term. That's not sustainable. Not for the environment and definitely not for his health. So long term, at one point or another, if he doesn't jump off the bandwagon at some point he's probably going to get cancer or some horrible debilitating disease. But if he decides at some points then decide in a few months or maybe even in a few weeks to start real food again and healthy food like plants then his gut is going to be even more inflamed and even worse than it is now. So he's just going down the rabbit hole and it's going to get worse and worse and worse until something really bad happens. So right now he might be symptomless, because he's not eating plants, the healthiest foods in the world, because he's bypassing that to mask symptoms or doesn't get the symptoms because he's not ingesting those foods, but the second he does ingest those foods again… What? You think his gut is going to heal by eating nothing but meat when its inflammatory and causes disease? At what planet is he on? He's just going down further down the rabbit hole and at some point he's going to get profoundly sick and it's just going to get worse and worse and worse from here.

Note:
* To know what the vegetable police actually wanted to do, check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-3zVslk-xg
* GojiMan's answer is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BruGrSWz6to&t=253s
* The response by Vegetable Police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAcZwj1cYdI

Footsoldier, Youtube 12 Comments [7/23/2018 4:05:10 PM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 139108

We're lucky in a way

Normies spend their youth fucking around, which most of us envy. But at a certain point they stop, "settle down". This is where we're lucky.

They're convinced by society, their parents and relatives, movies and TV shows and school and colleagues, that getting married and having children is what you have to do.

And they do it. They think that "love exists". Within less than 2 years the love has faded, but the programming is so thorough that they convince themselves that it's fine - like when you buy something expensive and it turns out to be shit, you lie to yourself, afraid to think about the what it cost you.

Settling down turns out is not fun at all. It's work on top of your already demanding full-time job. So they have a kid. That will fix things.

But it doesn't. They fool themselves that they enjoy being parents, taking care of this thing, but it's just a drain of energy, time and money.

And then they grow old. Hating their life but not daring to admit it.

Meanwhile, we were miserable from the start, but at least we're free when we're not wageslaving.

anon1822, incels.me 16 Comments [7/23/2018 4:03:18 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 139109

"Son, Your late-40s y/o high-laycount, forward-maxilla, good-IPD, 8/10 lower-third, 6'1 cousin is getting married. This gives me hope for YOU!"

My late-40's yo cousin is going to get married for the first time, so it has given my mum, aunt and et al hope that I will one day. Yes, he is older and balder than me, but let's have a brief rundown of our stats:

Him:

- forward-grown maxilla
- masculine lower third, square chin, long ramus, etc
- wide-set eyes, good IPD, short philtrum
- compact midface
- Did amateur modelling/media work
- lots of sexual experience
- BUT bald and 47 yo.
- 7/10 for age and race

Me:

- retruded maxilla
- retruded lower third (seeking surgery), recessed chin, downward grown jaw with no ramus
- close-set eyes, retard-tier IPD, long philtrum
- long midface
- Got laughed at by women IRL for just existing
- rejections
- but NW4-diffuse and well over a decade younger than him. Go me!!!!
- 2.5-3/10 for age and race

Note, he getting married to a woman from one of the third world countries who have members here. I think they're in love although him being from the first world def helps. But anyway, this gives my aunt and mum hope that I will one day get a gf.

People are a lot more optimistic than they let on. I have actually RESIGNED myself to a MSTOW life. In fact, anything outside that would disrupt my plans. I have kind of PLANNED for living alone and cheaper, retiring alone, dying alone. That's now the PLAN. My instinct when seeing a woman coming the opposite way along the street is to cross over. I just see them as having made their decision about me, which I understand and respect -- I am ugly after all -- so I don't ruin their day by being near them if I can help it.

I've even gotten used to the idea of not having children. I don't want them anymore. I accept my fate. Would I like a gf? Yes? But I can accept how things are. I am a man so I would need to be a 5+ to reproduce. Oh well. Who gaf.

(Emphasis original)

FACEandLMS, incels.me 9 Comments [7/23/2018 8:20:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 139105

That’s a little illusory, because the trans movement is itself a fundamentally conservative re-assertion of straight male dominance, in dress-up form.

The only way in which it diverges from traditional heterosexism is that these particular straight men are full-on sexual fetishists, who are publicly very exhibitionistic with their kinks.

I would be happy to align myself with the traditional Right against that aspect of transgenderism, while rejecting transgender politics as a particularly aggressive form of male, heterosexist intrusion into the lives of women, children, lesbians and homosexual men (I use the term “homosexual men” because being one myself, I think we need to rediscover that term – it emphasises that sexual orientation is about sex, not “gender”).

The best way to make sure that homosexual people aren’t carried along by the transgender train wreck is to disassociate ourselves from them as much as possible, and to make it clear to our “dear leaders” in all the “official” LGB bodies that we reject their support of transgender, genderqueer and all its associated misogynistic, anti-homosexual bullshit.

Morris Dancer, GenderTrender 11 Comments [7/23/2018 5:57:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 139096

Std's are a huge cope.

No chad or tyrone i have seen has stds. The only people that get stds are guys that fuck dirty prostitutes, people that do needle related drugs like heroin, and faggots.
Chads are fucking armies of girls and they will never experience a single negative effect from it, they truly are living the perfect life. All positive experiences with No negative consequences.

Crustaciouse, incels.me 13 Comments [7/23/2018 4:52:05 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 139093

(On an "Aborted GF" meme)
This will be good for attracting "incels" into the pro-life movement. They already lean sympathetic too, so it's very fertile ground.

EpistemicClosure, r/prolife 8 Comments [7/23/2018 4:24:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 139091

Britain cannot PREVENT crime because ‘obeying the law’ is not a British value

Britain has appointed Sara Khan as its new Lead Commissioner for Countering Extremism. This part-time post earns a tax-payer funded salary of £140,000 a year + expenses. This is seven times more than a Police Constable who works double the hours without expenses. This raises a question of priorities. Is the British government and establishment more interested in curbing Islam than solving crime?


When the recorded crime figures were published in October last year, a surge in violent crime pushed recorded crime figures in England and Wales up by 13% on the previous year. Immediately after this figure was published Trump tried linking this increase to Muslims. He tweeted, ‘Just out report: “United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror.” Not good, we must keep America safe!’

Trump’s claim was quickly debunked, and while he and others attempt to blame Islam for societal ills, the reality is that western societies are becoming increasingly lawless and the cause is not Islam. The problem of crime is a problem of values.

The values underpinning this growing lawlessness is rampant individualism due to society’s belief in freedom and liberalism.

The British government defines its values as, ‘democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and the mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs.’ Anyone who actively opposes these values is labelled an extremist and targeted by the security services and PREVENT officers.

An interesting point to note is that opposing the rule of law is not the same as obeying the law. If this was the case then the 9 million Brits with criminal records – including many lawmakers in Parliament – would be considered extremists which is not the case.

David Cameron, the former Prime Minister highlighted this when he said back in May 2015, “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone. It’s often meant we have stood neutral between different values. And that’s helped foster a narrative of extremism and grievance.” Cameron made a clear distinction between obeying the law and values. This means a law-abiding Muslim may be considered an extremist whereas a non-Muslim criminal wouldn’t be. The UK has no PREVENT or de-radicalisation programmes targeting criminals. Crime is blamed on poverty, social deprivation and other factors but never on secular values. This is because the root cause of crime stems from secular liberal values like individual liberty, which is a fundamental pillar of British society according to the government.

Police budgets in Britain are being slashed so much that in order to cut costs the Met Police will ignore burglaries, thefts and some assaults unless a suspect is identified. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Mark Simmons said: ‘We are having to balance the books with fewer officers and less money.’

Contrast this to the government’s counter-terrorism (CT) and counter-extremism (read counter-Islam) programmes which have huge ring-fenced budgets. While most Brits would support a PREVENT programme to tackle violent crime the government disagrees. Instead they divert funds and policing resources to PREVENT and CT officers, who then interrogate law abiding Muslims and school children on their political and religious views. They try and stop Islamic events by bullying venues in to closing them down, while crime goes ahead in the near vicinity without investigation. They pull over Muslims under Schedule 7 at airports, spoiling their holidays and upsetting their families when no crime or even suspicion of a crime has been committed.

So going back to the initial question. Is the British establishment more interested in destroying Islam than reducing crime? The answer is clearly yes. The societal elite or establishment which the Qur’an refers to as ???????? are rarely affected by the crime ordinary people face. They live in wealthy suburbs with private security. These elites are only interested in preserving the Capitalist status quo and destroying any opposition to it, which after the death of Communism is Islam. They would rather have Muslims committing crime but believing in man-made secular law than law-abiding Muslims believing in the superiority of sharia. The government’s counter-extremism strategy specifically mentions sharia and says, ‘There is only one rule of law in our country, which provides rights and security for every citizen. We will never countenance allowing an alternative, informal system of law, informed by religious principles, to operate in competition with it.’

In other words, following sharia is a red line despite the benefits it will bring to wider society in terms of accountability and lower crime rates.

Unlike British values, Islamic values are clearly defined and fixed within the Islamic texts. In the Islamic State obeying the law is a fundamental value and forms the basis of the bay’a contract between Muslim citizens and the state, and the dhimma contract between non-Muslims citizens and the state.

Allah (most High) says:

“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you.”

(An-Nisaa, 4:59)

The Prophet Muhammad ? said:

“One who dislikes a thing done by his Ameer (leader) should be patient over it. For anyone from the people who withdraws (his obedience) from the sultan, even to the extent of a handspan and died in that condition, would die the death of one belonging to the days of jahilliyya (ignorance).”

(Sahih Muslim, 1849)

It’s hard find to find anyone living in western societies who is not the victim of crime in some form or another. This is a problem that will never go away without a fundamental change in societal values. As many commentators have said the UK government’s counter-terror and counter-extremism strategies will not make Britain safer because that’s not their aim. Their aim is to assimilate Muslims by destroying core Islamic values and replacing them with British secular values.

“They would like you to disbelieve as they disbelieve so that you will all be the same.”

(An-Nisa, 4:89)

Western countries have completely failed in imposing their values on Muslims whether at home or abroad. This is why we see ban after ban across Europe on Muslim women’s clothing, and ever-increasing laws aimed at curbing Islamic practices such as PREVENT. In the face of Islam’s high values, western secular values are doomed to fail.

Allah (Most High) says,

Rather We hurl the truth against falsehood and it cuts right through it and it vanishes clean away! Woe without end for you for what you portray!

(Anbiyaa, 18)

Samuel Huntington says, “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.” *

caliphateonline, Caliphate.eu 5 Comments [7/23/2018 4:24:44 AM]
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Quote# 139090

Islam: Tough on Crime, Tough on the Causes of Crime

London is experiencing a surge in violent crime with 56 murders in this year alone. Yesterday six young men were stabbed within 90 minutes. In response politicians and media have blamed lack of police, poverty, closing of youth clubs, social media and dysfunctional families. However, what is never addressed are the concepts and values which drive someone to commit these crimes.

The values underpinning this growing lawlessness is rampant individualism due to society’s belief in freedom and liberalism.


Tony Blair alluded to this at the launch of his 5-year strategy on crime back in July 2004 when he said: “The 1960s saw a huge breakthrough in terms of freedom of expression, of lifestyle, of the individual’s right to live their own personal life in the way they choose… But with this change in the 1960s came something else, not necessarily because of it but alongside it. It was John Stuart Mill who articulated the modern concept that with freedom comes responsibility. But in the 1960’s revolution, that didn’t always happen.”

This often-cited doublespeak of ‘freedom with responsibility’ has no reality for most people. Secularism has eroded religious morals of responsibility and as such the growing trend is ‘freedom from responsibility’, where freedom is mandatory and responsibility at best is optional, and at worst totally ignored. Muslims in Britain are not immune from this trend. The call for Muslims to integrate and adopt the secular culture of Britain has led to the same criminal behaviour being found in the Muslim community as found in wider society.

Would a future Caliphate fair any better in its approach to crime or is criminal behaviour just a fact of modern life?

The Islamic Caliphate takes a two-pronged approach to crime.

Firstly, it creates a culture of God Consciousness (taqwa) and community responsibility among the society. Even when no police are watching them, Muslims will still obey the law because they know Allah is watching them and will account them for all their actions no matter how small when they die.

Allah (Most High) says,

“And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein”

(Qaf, 50:16)

“Whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it, and whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it.”

(Az-Zalzala, 7-8)

Islamic law (sharia) contains many edicts about the rights of neighbours and responsibility to the community at large. There is no concept of turning a blind eye to criminal behaviour or ignoring those in distress.

Prophet Muhammad ? said,

“On every person’s joints or small bones (i.e. fingers and toes), there is charity every day the sun rises. Doing justice between two people is charity; assisting a man to mount his animal, or lifting up his belongings onto it is charity; a good word is charity; every step you take towards prayer is charity; and removing harmful things from pathways is charity.”

Secondly, the Caliphate has a strong and effective criminal justice system. Islam is known for its harsh punishments and these act as a deterrent for those weaker individuals tempted to disobey the law. Those accused are afforded full judicial rights in a court of law. Islamic courts do not accept circumstantial evidence as a legal proof, and only trustworthy witnesses, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, are allowed to give testimony. Confessions extracted under torture or duress are inadmissible.

One of the principles underpinning the judiciary is that it’s better to let a guilty person go free than punish an innocent person. This attitude together with a high burden of proof will minimise miscarriages of justice in the Caliphate.

People in Britain and elsewhere are crying out for a society where people have respect, responsibility and play by the rules. This is evidenced by one in five people thinking of emigrating. As Tony Blair said, “They know there is such a thing as society. They want the society of respect. They want the society of responsibility. They want the community where the decent, law-abiding majority are in charge. Where those who play by the rules do well, and those who don’t get punished.”

Secular liberal democracy has not and cannot deliver this. Only a future Caliphate can do this as it did for over 1300 years.

caliphateonline, Caliphate.eu 2 Comments [7/23/2018 4:24:41 AM]
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Quote# 139089

(Responding to another member, who thought punishing abortionists by beheading them was a "nifty idea"):

None of that is necessary. Young women are realizing how horrible it is...and women who did it before didn't know the facts. They had been told it was a gob of goo, especially in early weeks. Many of those women feel they were lied to and have regrets now. We cannot hold them responsible for what was hidden from them at that time. That is why knowledge and facts are causing a natural evolvement of thought on this. I would bet many women who had abortions years ago had no idea that it looked and was a baby and feel anger for not getting the truth. Shar


Shar, Realabortiondebate 8 Comments [7/23/2018 4:24:38 AM]
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Quote# 139088

Trump has placed stronger sanctions on Russia than Obama or Bush ever did.

Trump sent tanks to the Ukraine. Obama sent blankets.

Obama was president when Crimea was annexed and did nothing.

Obama looked the other way and chided Trump for thinking our elections could be meddled with.

Obama knew before election Russia was interfering and did not want to do anything. He and Susan Rice told the agencies to stand down.

Russia knows there is a different sheriff in town now. They did all the above because of obama's weakness.

Trump killed 200 Russians in Syria when Russian military was where they shouldn't be and putting our military in danger.

Trump killed the Iran deal which infuriated Russia...Putin loved Obama for that.

Trump just made NATO stronger...which Russia hates.

Trump just made it public that Merkel was buying Russian oil...maybe causing some pressure on her to stop. At least he made it public so we see what she is up to while not paying her fair share to NATO.

I do not trust the FBI or CIA to stop Russian meddling in next election because I think they hate Trump so much they will want it to look like his fault. They hate Trump more than they care about this country. Trump has put them on notice to get the FBI IT on top of it. This is just my suspicion.we will see.

What previous policies did the President denounce?

Were you concerned when Obama told Putin he would have more flexibility after elections...probably to loosen up sanctions?

Or when obama stood with his thumb up his rear as Russia annexed Crimea?

Sharin

sharaleigh23, Realabortiondebate 12 Comments [7/23/2018 4:24:33 AM]
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Quote# 139087

(Responding to another member, who wrote in response to an article posted entitled "Leftist Antifa Terrorist Arrested with Bombs with Plans"; "There was NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING, in the articles about a motive or linking him with a conspiracy. All there was was Cernovich's editorializing with no relation to the limited info in the article. Again, could be the usual lone wolf. Obviously, you WANT damage and destruction, people hurt, just to further your twisted agenda!") Boldface mine:

He's a member of Antifa, nimrod. Only someone with the IQ of a cup of chocolate pudding can't figure out what motivated him -- far left-wing ideology.

You're are truly a moron.

doggie47304, Realabortiondebate 9 Comments [7/23/2018 4:24:28 AM]
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Quote# 139076

I feel spiritually raped. By Bruce Jenner becoming a woman. All my younger life I ate Wheaties and admired Bruce Jenner has one of the masculine figures that I wanted to be like big and strong and fast. He was a good male image to me and I looked up to him. As did many children of my age group. Then he turned around and turned himself into a woman. I feel like somebody has shoved a cactus up my butt!

arimatthewdavies, Y! answers 15 Comments [7/22/2018 2:38:10 PM]
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Quote# 139067

Today's Laugh 7-19-18



(NOTE: Difficult to say what is going on in this comic strip but I will identify the various things being said and the reader may try to understand for themselves)

Man labelled Brennan with 666 on his forehead: TREASON!
Man walking across bridge labelled Helsinki: I'd trust people like Putin over the fake media.
Creature labelled ABC: ...ahuh, wha...I smell blood.
Creature labelled CBS: Sedition. Heresy.
Creature labelled NBC: At long last-we have him!

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 14 Comments [7/22/2018 2:37:54 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 139066

Today’s Laugh 7-20-18



Presumably Whoopi Goldberg: Who got Trump derangement syndrome? #?% you! Get the #?% outta this buildin’! #?% you! Get the #?% out!!!

Woman: (thinks) Absolutely classic manifestation.

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [7/22/2018 2:37:36 PM]
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Quote# 139057


in response to this

For the record, I’ve talked a lot about having zero maternal instincts and not liking children in general. They’re loud, they’re noisy, they want a ton of attention. But paedophiles aren’t manipulative, whilst you accuse people that literally say nothing more than, “Hey, paedophiles shouldn’t be allowed alone near children” of being rapists and incestual abusers?

You call me “manipulative” whilst twisting my words, you know? I have not accused you of being a rapist. I have not accused you of participating in incest.

Here’s what I said on rape (emphasis added for clarity):
“Now, maybe if you personally have a desire to rape, a desire that you actively have to fight against, then I could understand why you might project such a desire onto me as well. But if that’s not the case, and I assume it’s not, then I fail to see where you come up with that idea.“

“No, it’s not appropriate for paedophiles to be left alone with children,”

I have already, many times, said that it is inappropriate for any adult, including pedophiles, to be alone with a child unless the situation deems it to be necessary. And when it’s necessary for an adult to be alone with a child, it’s still inappropriate to choose an adult who isn’t trusted or otherwise fit for the duty, whether or not they are a pedophile.

You, personally, are a manipulative, predatory paedophile monster, and every last one of your followers and supporters deserve to rot.

Real nice. Personal attacks and dehumanization, followed by wishes of ill will to everyone who disagrees with you. That’s typically what you hear from a strong argument, right?

I genuinely look forward to when you make a mistake and you can be reported to your local authorities.

I’m a non-offending MAP. There is nothing to report me to the authorities for. What are you gonna do, tell the cops that I find kids attractive? That’s not a crime. “Non-offending” means I don’t commit crimes against children. Essentially, you just said you hope I give you an opportunity to harass me and attempt to ruin my social circles, all because of who I find attractive. Wow.

I mean, it’s either that, or you hope I’ve committed a crime that would justify your report, which is frankly disgusting.

lifeasamap, tumblr 6 Comments [7/22/2018 2:34:12 PM]
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Quote# 139054

How do I deal with a husband (stepdad to my daughter since she was 2; biological dad is not around) who tried to touch my 16 year-old daughter’s private parts?

Divorce is legal in the USA and I am sure there are advantages to it. But people should not use divorce whenever however etc. Stop using divorce as an excuse to every little problem.

When there’s a will there’s a way.

Many people have suggested “NO TALK!” here. I am trying to compose and control myself here to abide with the BNBR policy but every time I see that, and remember the broken families very much common in western countries, I feel my blood boiling inside.

No talk? Imagine if nations on the brink of war had a “no talk” policy? An ambassador was assassinated? No talk, we bomb you! A foreign national was kidnapped and beheaded? No talk, our soldiers are landing at your beaches.

Sometimes problems can’t be resolved by communication but it SHOULD be the first attempt. You send a message or call the other head of state instead of launching missiles at once.

Am I saying a divorced family is worse than an abusive family? No.

Am I saying an abusive family is worse than a divorced family? No.

Both are terrible things. Both are things a child should not go through.

What I noticed though, is that the OP has a daughter and this husband is her stepdad. Which means the OP has already left and divorced her first husband, and daughter’s biological dad. These ladies have already gone through the experience of being in a broken family and divorce.

This incident has happened. That is clear. What’s done is done. The man has done it. He did this. He has broken their trust. He is at fault. I am clear on that.

Let us consider the possible outcomes.

She does get up and leave right there and then, taking the daughter with her. This will 100% guaranteed they are both going to go through the pains and struggles of divorced and being in a broken family again. That we can be sure of.

If they all decide to sit and talk it can end as:

he is given a 2nd chance. He tries it again sadly. Abusive family. They divorce and leave.
she decided to leave regardless of talking. Divorced family.
they work things out. He becomes the father he wanted to be, she gets the father she never had, OP gets the husband she deserves. Happy family.
There is a CHANCE at making things right. A CHANCE to be a happy family. Where as in the first option, that is absolutely 0.

When you get burnt by your oven, do you toss it away suddenly or try to fix and check it at first?

When you accidentally get zapped fidgeting around the wiring of your PC, do you punch the screen, kick the CPU and scrap your PC, or do you carefully check the wiring first and see what might have caused it?

“Until now, there was no attempt from both ends to sit down and talk about what happened and how to move forward”

Can you blame them? This is probably difficult for BOTH of them. She is embarrassed and scared to face him. He is embarrassed and scared to face her. If you just sit and wait, nothing will happen.

If you make a mountain of a molehill, if you escalate the situation drastically, chances are you might cause an unexpected negative reaction and lasting impact to either or both of them.

he could turn spiteful, depressed, violent or suicidal
she could turn spiteful, depressed, violent or suicidal
you could turn spiteful, depressed, violent or suicidal
I would suggest you personally plan, and sit down together with BOTH of them. You will act as the middleman and the neutral ground between two of them. You will be the one in charge of keeping the mood as non-aggressive and calm as you can. Tensions will rise and you will have the responsibility to make sure to call for a time out if it gets too much.

Remember:

This is not a random stranger on the bus or street, this is your husband and her stepdad.
You are married to a human being who is not perfect and can make mistakes. You are not married to the son of god or something.
Would he do it again? Maybe? Maybe not. It is the first time. You can not judge and condemn a person outright for a first time mistake.
She is not a child anymore, but still not an adult. She is 16. She is bothered by this but she is already capable of facing it and learning how to deal with life problems and situations, things she will surely face herself in the future.
It is up to the OP and her daughter to decide, and that the husband can only agree to whatever decision they make.

But talking opens up opportunities to hear both sides as well as for OP and daughter to set new rules and restrictions for husband and challenge him to regain their trust.
...

She can organize the talk, give a chance to the man to prove himself, and at the same time still protect her daughter. She is NOT leaving her daughter as bait.

Also I noted that the daughter chose to go and talk to him at first, even before this question was asked, leading me to assume that the daughter herself wants to work things out. This is what the daughter might want. The OP is just there to be with her throughout this.

You have said you has been with this man 14 years (daughter is 16 and he has been with you since she was 2)

which is why we should not resort to divorce outright!



Red Subijano, quora 6 Comments [7/22/2018 2:32:22 PM]
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Quote# 139044

Would you hate a man, who's 30 who dated a 22 year old. No! Would you hate a man, who's 22 who dated a 14 year old. You shouldn't!

People who have a problem with the age difference just need to grow up. My parents are 51 and 59, but you don't see anyone calling my mom a you know what! Anyone flames my parents on this forum you better hope an admin deletes your comment before I see it, because an admin is going to have to clean up mine. No offense to the admins.

a 22 year old is an adult. a 14 year old is a child. I don't see how this is such a difficult thing for some of you to grasp.

see now that raises another question, is an 18 year old really an adult? i've met plenty of 18 yr old's that give off the impression that they're more like 14 or 15 maturity wise


kylewarner7, mtgsalvation 6 Comments [7/22/2018 2:31:15 PM]
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