Quote# 131390

The core fallacy of the argument and every worldview that would utilize it is that human beings possess an inherent righteousness or goodness within themselves, and that by their inherent worth or goodness; and that as such they cannot conceive that God would decree evil upon his human creation unless they first forfeited or earned his displeasure through evil of their own making.

The response to this argument has to be 'Go and read your Bible.' The OT particularly contains story after story of men, women, and children bearing the brunt of God's wrath against the sins of others. Think of the kids in Israel when they were taken captive by Babylon or the Assyrians. Or the children of the nations that Israel attacked? Or those firstborn Egyptian boys? If they are going to make the argument, they could dig up worse scenarios than an isolated child rape case and moreover, find them in the Bible!

It all seems beyond unfair, incomprehensible even, until you begin to see that men women and children are in fact without righteousness before God, without any kind of it, or any amount of it that he should recognize us and defer to our sense of well being. Absolutely Zero. We are nothing, less than nothing.

This is underscored to me by the fact that unredeemed sinners get lumped together with the devil and his angels at the judgment day; shows how much inherent righteousness people have apart from Christ.

I also want to respond to these folk that it is plain that for every instance of evil that God ordains in the world, they are each accompanied by a thousand mercies. Men are blind to them of course and do not recognize or give thanks for them.

I wonder if any of these folk have ever thought or said 'thank God it wasn't worse' because from their perspective that phrase shouldn't make any sense at all. Whereas we can say it at every instance of the day and marvel at God's multitude of restraining graces!

KGP, Puritan Board 8 Comments [9/9/2017 3:06:08 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131389

Indeed, the child rape argument is the anti-Calvinist's equivalent to Godwin's Law in debates. Sigh.

Trying to get God off the hook, as it were, by claiming God did not know what His creatures would do (open theism) or that God gives man libertarian free will only makes the situation more dire. Apparently God is either impotent (cannot see the future) or able, but unwilling to intervene (corridors of time foreknowledge argument) to prevent meaningless evil acts.

These tactics make good fodder for appealing to the hoi polloi, but they illustrate the shallowness of the anti-Calvinist's unstated assumptions. Remind these proponents that God, having a sufficiently moral purpose for evil, wills righteously what men do wickedly.

Ask Mr. Religion, Puritan Board 5 Comments [9/9/2017 3:04:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131388

That being said, I think that both answers are right in a sense. This deals heavily with the compound and divided senses of God's will. I would HIGHLY recommend Webmaster's book on the subject The Two Wills of God.

So in a sense, Scott is right. The problem is, is that it is not that simple. To simply say that he is not the cause of sin is only half the answer. Matt goes into detail distinguishing this in his book.

1. God decrees sin. It cannot be denied that in a sense, this is a cause of that sin, for without that, sin could not happen. God predestines sin (cause), therfore sin happens (effect).

2. Man commits sin. It cannot be denied that in a sense, humans cause sin, for without these means, sin could not happen (God cannot sin). Humans act (cause), therfore sin happens (effect).

In a real sense, #2 is important to stress, because God has decreed that this is where responsibility lies. When people deny that God is in some sense the cause of sin, they are usually trying to free God from the responsibility of sin. This is admirable, but we must not go overboard. God is not responsible for sin, becuase he defines responsibility! He is the judge, law, and jury. We are not.

Jeff_Bartel, Puritan Board 3 Comments [9/9/2017 3:03:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131387

We know of God He “worketh all things after the counsel of his own will” (Eph 1:11). We also know “the LORD is upright . . . and there is no unrighteousness in him” (Psalm 92:15), and that “The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works” (Psalm 145:17).

What is the most evil thing that ever happened upon the earth (or in the entire universe)? Was it not the murder of the Holy One, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all that therein are? And yet of this it is written, “Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain” (Acts 2:23).

God delivered and determined Christ to be slain. It will not do to say He but “allowed” it, for He determined it. Yet He is holy in all His works, and righteous in all His ways.

When what we call evil God means for good, His purpose overrules our categories and value judgments. In the eschaton, when all is said and done in this age, and we are on New Earth with Him, we shall see that all that happened we thought evil—experienced as evil—was not evil to Him as He worked out our glory and everlasting joy by it.

Note that this does not exculpate men who do evil, nor absolve them of responsibility for what they have done. But whatever God does truly is holy, just, and righteous. It is that His ways are not our ways, and they are too high above us to comprehend. So we trust Him. When we suffer, we trust Him. We may hold men accountable, and see them punished. But God we trust, for we know He loves us with an everlasting love (Jer 31:3). This is what godly men and women have helped me to understand. I think this is right.

Jerusalem Blade, Puritan Board 1 Comments [9/9/2017 3:02:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131386

Well, even if we couldn't think of examples in our minds, we would still be obligated to submit to the truth that it does because it is plainly taught in Scripture. But I can certainly think of countless ways in which such events ultimately work together for the good of God's people in His plan:

God may use a person's death by murder as the means to provide an opportunity for re-unification of that person's split family. Also, two people might speak to each other at a funeral who otherwise would not have, and the Gospel is shared and and accepted, and the new believer finds his church home through that person who initially presented the Gospel to him at the funeral. Or perhaps me losing my temper in public causes something to go through an observer's mind that God uses for a specific reason in their life that day or in another person's life through something they say as a result of their reaction to my sinful anger - and I might never even know He used it that way.

If God were to take a close relative or friend from me, perhaps it would teach me to truly make Him my full delight and strength in a way I otherwise would not have at the time. Or perhaps a young woman being raped makes her value her sexuality for the first time, so that she does not just go out and waste herself, which she otherwise would have done. Perhaps the death of an unregenerate soul is part of what God uses to make the family agree to try out church with some believing friends, and they hear the Word and some are converted - or perhaps they are not converted, and instead profess an even further rejection of the Gospel, and God uses their rejection to encourage a believer observing the situation who was feeling discouraged and that she had it so bad, but seeing the family's bitter rejection of the Gospel makes her realize how much she really has in Christ.

Perhaps a fatal accident on the highway that someone passes while driving makes him want to call his wife just to check on her, and it turns out that she is in trouble and he called just in time, and God had a specific purpose for her in continued living that He did not have for the person who died in the accident. Or God may use a parent being drunk their child's whole life to give that child extra strength and boldness that that will need in their coming years for challenges they will face - or perhaps even just one single event that was in a person's subconscious will have a similar effect on something they do someday that turns out to be significant.

I could literally go on and on all day off the top of my head. The point is that there are so many countless ways in which God can use all of life's situations, major events and seemingly minute, unnoticed details for the ultimate greatest possible good of His people and likewise for His glory, whether we realize them or not - in fact, since there are so many possibilities, we almost certainly do not even realize most of them for what they are at the moment, or even ever. But we are told in Scripture that they are all working as such, and as I hope I have showed above, there are literally countless ways in which God can accomplish that through such events - and furthermore, those examples I gave were only situations right off the top of my imperfect, sinful, finite, human mind; so how much more can God actually accomplish through every detail of life?

Me Died Blue, Puritan Board 5 Comments [9/9/2017 3:01:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131385

This used to be really difficult for me too. But I finally realized a couple things:

1) 100% of people deserve to spend eternity in hell for their sins. And hell is *infinitely* worse than any "heinous crime" you can think of. I would much rather be raped & tortured, rather than sent to hell forever. So when God ordains even "heinous crimes" to occur, those crimes are FAR less than what the victims actually deserve. If a victim is of the non-elect, the person will eventually be in much worse circumstances. And if the person is elect, then God will work all things together for the good of that person. The only person who ever received evil he *didn't* deserve was Jesus.

2) The murder of Jesus was the single worst "heinous crime" to EVER occur. Rape and torture are NOTHING in comparison to Deicide. And yet we know that God ordained the death of Christ for a VERY GOOD reason! God is greatly glorified, and billions of men receive justification, all because of the sacrifice of Jesus. So, if God can ordain the *worst sin ever*, then why is it difficult to believe that He ordains all others?

Those are just my :2cents:

In Christ,
Joseph

biblelighthouse, Puritan Board 6 Comments [9/9/2017 2:58:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131384

I think the question of Ordaining versus Permitting is dependent on if we believe God owes mankind something or not.

The Ordaining people which I am a part of assumes that God owes mankind nothing, hence He can harden Pharoah and get him to do specific wicked acts by which God will glorify Himself by conquering. It is because God owes mankind nothing, that He could sent Lying Spirits in the mouths of prophets to deceive Ahab, likewise He can also send strong delusions that they may believe a lie. He can likewise speak in parables to shield the truth from then, least they be converted and their sins forgiven.

Permitting believes that God owes mankind something. This something that is owed, is to behave like a man and constrain oneself to the laws and ethics of which man are subjected to. Because mankind is not allowed to sin and is judged because of sin, many assume that God ordaining sin for His own purposes is like man sinning. So they take away the ordaining, and say that God permits sin, which is nothing more than a passive quasi ordination being made allowable by a loop hole.

Heck, but this thing is much more simple, if it is God's goal to manifest and to glorify Himself by exercizing His diverse attributes, of which one of these attributes is Justice, then it follows that God must make something liable for justice. Now if God makes something liable for His justice and executes His justice, how is that sin???????????????? "Endured with much patience the vessels fitted for destruction". God making something liable for such and such, and executing what that thing is liable for in no way impugns God.

People usually believe the permitting thingie because God becomes much more scary if He is an ordainer of all events, and that all events that He ordains are ordained for the sole purpose of glorifying Himself.

But a Scary God is a good thing for humans :D A Scary God puts them in their place and emasculates them, humbles them, and make them tremble, pricks there conscience and let them feel powerless.

Anton Bruckner, Puritan Board 4 Comments [9/9/2017 2:57:55 AM]
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Quote# 131378

Religious leaders condemn ‘Fight of Gods’ video game featuring ‘Jesus’ and ‘Buddha’

PETALING JAYA: Religious leaders here are in a huff over a newly-released video game that features among others, Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha as fight characters.

In roundly condemning the “Fight of Gods” game developed by foreign gaming studio Digital Crafter, leaders from various religions yesterday urged the government to ban the “unacceptable game”.

The game, that is currently available for only RM11 on Steam Early Access (a digital distribution platform offering unfinished, playable version of games) had on Sept 4, added Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha to its stable of fighters.

Before this, it already featured the likes of Greek god Zeus, the Viking Odin, Guan Gong and Moses when it was first announced in March. A promotion video is also available online with the title “The Gods Are At War”.

It is understood that the developers who are planning to add more characters to its pantheon in the near future have asked fans for suggestions, and the Prophet Muhammad is already favoured to be an addition.

“The government should immediately ban the game or block the download link to avoid the potential of religious tension in the country,” Perlis Mufti Datuk Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin told the Sun yesterday.

He warned that while most gamers may play just for fun, some may take it seriously and this could lead to hatred towards other religions.

“Any religion and religious leaders who are rational would downright condemn the game, as I’m sure no religion encourages violence and fighting against each other,” he said.

Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST) deputy president Datuk R.S. Mohan Shan said the game degrades religions and their religious leaders.

“This is a very sensitive issue, and it is totally not acceptable. We can never agree to such games. The government must take immediate action to ban the game’s sale here,” he said.

“It is also unhealthy for children as they may idolise certain characters in the game they deem them to be more powerful due to the number of victories they score with that character.”

Council of Churches Malaysia general-secretary Rev Dr Hermen Shastri said the use of names and likeness of deities and religious figures in the production of games is the height of insensitivity and disrespect.

He urged the government to appeal to the developer to withdraw the use of religious figures in the game and replace them with other more acceptable characters.

“If they refuse to do that, then we encourage the government take the necessary action and ban it. There’s no reason for the developers not to change the names and characters in the game,” he added.

MCA religious harmony bureau chief Datuk Seri Ti Lian Ker, meanwhile, said immediate action must be taken to stop the sale and distribution of the game here as it “touches the raw nerves of the religions”.

“Irrespective of the origin of the game, it should not be allowed to contaminate our religious harmony. The authorities must use whatever provisions within the law to clamp this,” he told the Sun.

Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, R.S. Mohan Shan, Hermen Shastri, Ti Lian Ker, The Sun Daily 4 Comments [9/9/2017 2:43:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Bedhead

Quote# 131377

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To set some standards straight, before you read:
If you're ever so willing to read a Manifesto, please do read with an open-mind as the close-minded would see through the conveying message of the Manifesto.
Also yes, I am quite serious when I say I'm a Neo-Fascist, I'm politically active and bloody proud:

I was once a "Democratic-Socialist" in my early stages when I was learning about politics, because I was influenced by the nice sounding words "equality", "diversity" and "acceptance".
My friends, my teachers, even the media spoke greatly of the Left-Wing and how everyone has "human rights" and also how it is religiously affiliated as a just and moral cause to help your fellow human being.
I loved everything about the Left-Wing at the time, it sounded so right, so justifiable to fight for us all to unite as one equally same human being, sharing our own customs and traditions amongst foreign men in the country I loved dearly.
Well, that was until I started opening my eyes to the Left-Wings destructive nature.
It all started with the 2014 Sydney hostage crisis, it shocked everyone in Australia and the world.
I was shocked and surprised that it was done by a Muslim, and so, after school, I went home to research more about Islam, the further I dug I came to read online that Islam was a violent cult.
I was often told that Islam was a religion of peace so this left me very confused, the next day I confronted my Muslim friend about the violent quotes in the Quran I read online, to which he responded "They're lying, it's not in the Quran, they take it out of context", and so the next week as I was further driven by curiosity I borrowed the English version of the Quran from my local library to see if it was true what the so-called "Nazis" said online about Islam.
To my surprise, it was true, the standard version of the Quran was indeed true to holding many violent phrases against the "Infidels".
I felt betrayed, my Muslim friend and the teachers lied to me about Islam, to then they've lost my trust that they are teaching us accurate information, so I started questioning everything they've taught me thus far and started researching everything learning more deeply in its roots to see if it is at all accurate.
I became even more curious the more deeper I researched and started questioning the morals of "equality" and even the technical tenets of the Left-Wing, as curiosity led me to only more questions about everything I've learnt about Religion, Diversity, Equality and the so called "good and just" cause of the Left-Wing.
To everything I thought was morally right, correct and good in its practise, bad and evil I found myself to be very wrong.
Throughout all my research, I have concluded to find myself to be in total disbelief, I was in shock, I felt total agony to my discovery that me, my friends, my family and the fellow European brothers of descent that we were indeed living in a political dystopia, as it is true.
The more I thought about it, the more it became clear to me of what I thought reality once was, is now collapsing into what I know as the very real reality, it left me completely stunned.
I was shattered, morally, religiously, and politically.
To my conclusions, learning that by human nature and its principles, we are indeed not equal nor the same at all.
We are all different for a reason, as I am now convinced religiously and politically, we are not infact equal at all, but unique.
By keeping our Customs, Traditions, Ethics & Ethnics separate, we are playing by basic human nature, as it was always intended to be.
By nature, I am also talking religiously by Gods and God them self that we were always meant to be a unique blossom of different cultures and customs in its purest form, like a unique colour in the Rainbow.
As for example, when you combine all the colours together, it creates a disgusting brown darkish colour, it creates a mess.
The same with different cultures, as by natures fundamentals it is proven that different cultures do not mingle, but collide.
As such as the animals that we are, you never see the bear befriending the fish.
Nor see the Rhino mate with the Elephant, it was never intended to be, it doesn't work by nature.
Race mix is simply a form of destruction, a form of impurity, like a detached link from your ancestors blood and from the soil on which you live on.
By Left-Wing nature, in its true form and purpose is a self-destructive political monster of corruption that favours imaginative thoughts over realpolitikal action which goes against the very statically set principles of human nature to which they call "progressive Globalism", which is infact regressive and dangerous in its true form, created to trick the light-minded, the vulnerable and gullible people who is politically active into voting for disaster profiteers.
Alike Democracy as I've learnt, people are tricked into voting for the dangerous, destructive and corrupt Left-Wing and other regressive parties.
To which also in its other form on the Right-Wing such as Centre-Right like Liberalism are no better than the Left-Wing as it is a different form of Leftism "Globalism" but for the Right-Wing, in which Liberalism populates and fundamentally favours bigot groups for those who don't think regressively and to punish those who dare to think differently from the fundamental tenets of Leftism/Liberalism like the groups that are born from a Liberal democracy such as Antfia, "Anti-Fascist", and other fantastical anti-fundamentalist groups like LGBT where there is more than 2 genders or even Black Lives Matter where the foreign man deserves superior living conditions to the Native White European man in his very own country for all the supposed "evils" our White ancestors have done in the past that have created the great Western world we have today.
In all of this further proving what I believe in and why I do, we need to remove the dangerous Left-Wing and Democracy itself, it favours a false idea of freedom which ultimately leads to the destructive nature of Leftist and Liberal agenda's as such for example bringing the foreign man first before the Native people, as well as giving a false sense of equality that hides the destructive nature of democracy.
The Western world needs Social order more than ever, we need an authoritarian system that would lead us beyond the Left-Right spectrum of politics, a leader, a hero, for those to look up to, to inspire and to install within the people the values of the Western man, the ideal citizen body who rules with an Iron grip, who would light the way for the future generations of our great Western Nations to her survival and for those of descent to look back at our great unique history with pride and glamour to say I am proud to be a White Native European of descent, of this blood, of this soil that we share with one custom, one culture, one tribe, in this great Nation of ours where security is strong, where we are safe and where we live and prosper in this Utopia amongst fellow Western men of the same descent, we are free, we are safe, long live the West, long live Europe, we belong here, this is our country, this is our people of whom share the same blood, we are of the Western world, of European blood, we are Australian and this is what equal is!
Do your research before you are quick to judge and never be afraid to think independently from others, I'd rather die knowing I was living the truth about politics and its nature rather than to live my whole life believing in a lie just because the Media, my teachers, and my friends says its true, don't be fooled!

Africa for Africans!
Asia for Asians!
Europe for Europeans!
Dogs for dogs and cats for cats!
This is natures rule, and it will stay that way forever.
Religious or not, this is the intentions!
This is the correct and true European way of life, through one cultural unification, through order, and by blood and soil.

FrostyB, Steam Community 23 Comments [9/9/2017 2:41:34 AM]
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Quote# 131376

One thing we know about hurricanes — and all weather — is that this is not Mother Nature in a bad mood. This is a spectacular display of God’s immense power. And when He puts His power on display, it’s never without reason. There’s a purpose. And we may not always understand what that purpose is, but we know it’s not random. And we know that weather is sent to cause us to respond to God in humility, awe, and repentance…

Kirk Cameron, Friendly Atheist 11 Comments [9/9/2017 2:35:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Stimbo

Quote# 131375

FALSE, AIDS is a SYNDROME Meaning a condition in this case describes an auto immune deficiency. There are many reason why one can have a diminished autoimmune response. You are describing one AIDS response where the HIV virus destroys the body's ability to fight infection of sickness. There are also several non viral reasons AIDS.. In essence one can test positive for AIDS and not have the HIV virus. That said I do understand the most popular way to get AIDS is from HIV.

SO as I said God saw me through an AIDS diagnosis without any medication.

Drich, AtheistForums.org 4 Comments [9/9/2017 2:35:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Stimbo

Quote# 131371

Charles Joseph "Joe" Scarborough (born April 9, 1963) is a liberal commentator on far-left MSNBC. Formerly a RINO, Scarborough is an independent. Scarborough is known primarily for his feud with fellow liberal Donald Trump, and his adulterous ways as he has been divorced twice and is currently "engaged" to Mika Brzezinski.

Scarborough belongs to the liberal Southern Baptist Convention, and as this is the case, he ignores the teachings in the Bible about divorce. He has decided that people need to be controlled by the government, and therefore has been in favor of banning guns for self defense.

William Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 3 Comments [9/9/2017 2:32:52 AM]
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Quote# 131370

"...Ready for It?" is a liberal song recorded by far-left feminist icon and provocateur Taylor Swift. This song features a hypocritical usage of cultural appropriation, as Swift employs a dialect most common in the African American population, much like other rich Caucasian liberals.

This "song" is the first promotional single of Swift's upcoming album reputation, and as such is setting the tone because this song is rife with sexual content.

For instance, a part of the song goes "I-I-I see how this is gonna go / Touch me, and you'll never be alone /I-Island breeze and lights down low /No one has to know" 1 Corinthians 6:18 says to "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." This therefore means that touching in a premarital state is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN! SAY AMEN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD!

"In the middle of the night, in my dreams / You should see the things we do, baby / In the middle of the night, in my dreams / I know I'm gonna be with you / So I take my time / (Are you ready for it?) She is talking about lusting after the flesh by having wicked dreams! Matthew 5:28 says "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

She also says this "He can be my jailer / Burton to this Taylor" This is a clear reference to the BDSM lifestyle and it is WICKED AND ABOMINABLE UNTO THE LORD AND BDSM WILL RESULT IN THE DECLINE OF THE CULTURE! OWWWWWWWWWW! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS LISTEN TO THIS FILTH AND THEY WILL NOT NOR WILL YOU INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IF YOU TAKE THEM TO SEE THE REPUTATION TOUR! SPEND THAT MONEY ON A GOOD FAMILY BIBLE AND CONCORDANCE! God's people said AMEN!


William Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 14 Comments [9/9/2017 2:32:17 AM]
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Quote# 131369

When whites are driven out of affluent middle class areas which then become terrifying run down burned out urban jungles, it is not Jews that they are fleeing.

The inner city used to be where the affluent, the rich, and the upwardly mobile lived. It is not Jews that destroyed the inner city, Detroit, Ferguson, and are now destroying Chicago.

Female bad behavior comes from desire to fuck taciturn narcissistic assholes, starting at age eight or nine. If it was Jewish influence, they would want to fuck neurotic talkative dweebs resembling Woody Allen. Margaret Mead fucked people of both sexes and numerous races, but did not fuck Franz Boas.

Blaming Jews is yet another good news religion, because it is easy to gas the Jews, but considerably more difficult, and more disturbing, to keep women under loc parentis supervision from eight to menopause. So the program of restoring civilization sounds a lot easier if all you have to do to get things back on track is gas the Jews.

If we blame the Enlightenment, in particular and especially the extravagantly absurd claim that all men are created equal, if we blame blacks, single women, and the holiness spiral, then it looks like a harder problem, that requires us to do things that are inherently unpopular and unholy, whereas exterminating a market dominant minority is always popular, and you can very easily get away with representing it as holy. Jews are a market dominant minority, and we whites are about to become a market dominant minority.

People who hope to win an election with a universal franchise have to blame the Jews, or else blame whites in general. You cannot shut down a holiness spiral in a democracy except with another holiness spiral.

Muslims in Europe and America are very close to successfully representing gassing the Jews as holy, and shortly thereafter will go to work on similar representation of whites.

Notice eager Jewish collaboration in Muslim efforts to represent gassing the Jews as holy. This falsifies the doctrine that Jewish misbehavior is collectively rational behavior that advances the interests of “the Jews”.

I have often said that going after the Jews is goring the matador’s cape, rather than goring the matador. You have to shut down the holiness spiral itself, rather than a category of people that contains a disturbingly large proportion of exceptionally enthusiastic demon worshipers.

Shutting down the holiness spiral requires something like an inquisition. We don’t need to burn people at the stake, though Charles the second did need to burn a few people at the stake, in particular one alarmingly and excessively holy female heretic, whose holiness was inconveniently and irritatingly genuine, and whose Unitarian Christian derived belief system was alarmingly twenty first century. But mostly what Charles the second did was fire everyone in state and quasi state jobs, and invite them to re-apply for their old jobs. In the job interview, the applicant was asked whether he would “conform” – conform to the new standard of moderate holiness, which prohibited excessive holiness in general, and the old form of holiness in particular. If one declined to say he would conform, he did not get burned at the stake – but neither did he get his old job back. Many who declined to conform departed under their own power to New England. A few said they would conform, got their old jobs back, but then engaged in apostacy, and those ones Charles came down on pretty hard, but usually they got ridiculed and their careers got ruined, rather than burned at the stake. Looks to me that only one genuinely sincere and genuinely holy heretic got burned at the stake by Charles the Second, and all the others that were burned were two faced slimy lying hypocrites, and that most of the apostates just got laughed at and their careers stalled, rather than burned at the stake, or even fired. But you really do need to sometimes take firm measures against stubborn and excessively ostentatious holiness.

The problem with Jews is that they are a market dominant minority with a strong identity. Being a market dominant minority with a strong identity they are particularly subject to potential persecution, plus, in even in the absence of actual persecution, they still have an extremely strong persecution mythos, which makes them paranoid and hostile. Since one is going to get treated as a persecutor no matter what, one feels inclined to actually persecute them.

Jews are are inclined to attack the fabric of the host society, because when it’s strong it attacks them, and when it’s weak it lays off. The fabric of society is essentially everything “fascist”, so they are naturally anti-fascist insofar as they identify as jewish. Obviously this pattern has been reinforced. The reform jews most so because they are actually trying to integrate, which they can’t if everyone is Nordic Catholic “Fascists”.

When they engage in a holiness spiral, they don’t have any personal attachment to the things that their utopian schemes will destroy, or any concern about the reasons it won’t work. Whereas a white man would say “what about my job, family, community, ancestors, people, church, business”, your typical academic jew would say “Certain elements of the bourgeois will feel the move to equality as oppression (and I never liked those dumb goyim anyways)”.

Their talents make them useful to short-sighted elites, which puts them in the position of High, but with more mobility, more of a mobile bandit; they can always go elsewhere and feel just as at home. In addition to the insecurity they feel as a persecuted minority, they are naturally aligned with High which has in our recent history been engaged in destructive anti-fascism.

Their talents further mean that they are quite good at the subversion, which, lacking attachment to their host society, they naturally get into.

But the problem is not Jewish participation in subversion, it is that subversion is profitable, respected, and rewarded. Make it unprofitable, despised, and dangerous, and there will not be a Jew in sight.

Civilization is the art of people living together in large numbers: The basic problems of civilization are shutting down violence, ensuring that men and women agree to stick together for richer or poorer, or better or worse, and are forced to stick by that agreement, and securing property rights. Leftism is an attack on all of these, leftism is siding with the forces of entropy for political advantage, and Nazism is just leftism that has been left behind by a hundred years of movement even further left. “Fascism” is freedom, freedom is made possible by law, law is made possible by first establishing order, order is made possible by peace, peace first require victory, and victory requires war. Leftism reverses this chain of causation and moves us back towards the war of all against all. Leftism weaponizes covetousness and envy to attack property rights and female sexual lust to attack marriage. Single women, rather than Jews, vote for the mass import of rapeugees, because unconsciously they hope to be sold naked in chains on the auction block.

Observe what is happening with the Rohingya. The Rohingya correctly believe that a good Muslim should live under Muslim rule, and that a Muslim should establish Muslim rule wherever he lives. They attempted to establish a Muslim state in Burma, the Burmese were not having any, and are now expelling them. The expelled Rohingya don’t want to go to the USA. They want to go to a Muslim state, but Islamic states fear that if they accept the Rohingya, the Rohingya will decide that their hosts are insufficiently Islamic, or the wrong kind of Islamic. The US government wants them, wants to dump the on marginal electorates in flyover country, and you really cannot blame the Jews for this. You cannot blame the Rohingya for this. They don’t want to go to an infidel state. It is single female lust for men manly enough to subjugate them. If a bunch of east europeans were fleeing some place, I bet the PUAs would be keen on bringing them here.

Jim, Jim's Blog 3 Comments [9/9/2017 2:30:32 AM]
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Quote# 131337

Let us not forget that those arriving have been raised in another religion, and represent a radically different culture. Most of them are not Christians, but Muslims. This is an important question, because Europe and European identity is rooted in Christianity. Is it not worrying in itself that European Christianity is now barely able to keep Europe Christian? If we lose sight of this, the idea of Europe could become a minority interest in its own continent.

Victor Orbán, Gatestoneinstitute 6 Comments [9/9/2017 2:16:41 AM]
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First Baptist Church in Newton, Facebook 12 Comments [9/9/2017 2:12:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Lawful Stupid Award

Quote# 131328

Likewise, a man does have the freedom to leave his responsibility to provide and stay home and be a Mr. Mom. I know Mr. Moms exist, but this is completely and utterly unbiblical for man. It just as wrong for man to do this as it is for a woman to leave her infant child with others (even her husband) to pursue a career. A man does not have the freedom to abandon his responsibility to lead the home to his wife. Even if his wife is more intelligent and talented then him, he must still exercise leadership. He should lean on his wife for advice like any other man should, but at the end of the day the leadership of the home is always his, he is not free to give this up.

(Emphasis added - Pharaoh Bastethotep)

Biblegenderroles, Bible Gender Roles 5 Comments [9/9/2017 2:10:43 AM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

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Many around the country, myself included, have been praying for those who are in Harvey’s grip; but let’s not forget, truly, they are in the grip of God. I have friends and family in Texas; I think it’s a great state, and I’m not casting stones at the people there. But let’s ask ourselves a question.

Rather than wondering where God is during a time like this, isn’t it possible that this is a kind of divine judgment—the wrath of God—coming upon a nation who turns from and denies its godly heritage, a nation who destroys generation upon generation of its progeny; a nation who has taken the symbol of God’s promise—the rainbow—turning it into a symbol of man’s perversion; a nation that raises its fist to God neglecting the beauty of male and female—denying the very Hand of our Creator? As God looks upon a land He blessed and sees a people who have changed their God for those gods which are no gods and its churches drink from broken, self-made cisterns while forsaking Him—the fountain of living waters—is it so far-fetched that God has sent Harvey to speak to a country that has outlawed speaking to Him and has been sticking their fingers in their ears for too long?

Steve Huston, American Decency Association 10 Comments [9/9/2017 2:09:56 AM]
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Submitted By: ElectraGlide

Quote# 131063

Bryan Fischer used his American Family Radio program on Friday to reissue his demand that the rainbow flag be removed from public places on the grounds that it is offensive and divisive.

Reacting to reports that some schools in North Carolina have begun implementing dress codes that include bans on representations of the Confederate flag, Fischer said the same policy should apply to rainbow flags.

“If we are going to ban the Confederate flag because it is divisive, how about we ban the LGBT flag at school?” he said. “If we are going to ban the Confederate flag at school because it creates division, because it arouses division, because it is offensive to people, because it so violates their most deeply held values about human sexuality, I propose that everywhere—everywhere—where the Confederate flag is banned, that we propose that along with it, at the same time, that the LGBT rainbow flag be banned at exactly the same time for exactly the same reasons.”

“It is offensive, it is contrary to our most deeply held values, it divides people, it does not bring them together,” Fischer asserted. “It’s time to have the LGBT flag banned right alongside the Confederate flag. If we’re going to ban one, I submit we need to ban the other.”

Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 7 Comments [9/9/2017 2:08:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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I’m a pretty much live and let live sort of guy.

I will observe here that we are talking about some people who are so screwed up they aren’t comfortable identifying with their born sex.

Despite this, they want to dictate what the populace stance on sexual matters and public bathrooms will be.

Never mind the normal populace. The 0.00225% of the populace wants to drive the car, and refuses to let the 99.99775% of the populace do it.

Not buying in.

DoughtyOne, Free Republic 22 Comments [9/7/2017 11:29:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131360

Simple ... muslims and homosexuals have the same ambition : attack Judaism and Christianity. Certainly the muslims will turn against the homosexuals in due course. (The homosexuals are their "useful idiots" and will eventually outlive their usefulness.) But for now, the muslims consider "the enemy of my enemy is my fair-weather friend".

so_real, Free Republic 17 Comments [9/7/2017 11:29:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131359

Are you insane? Their very inspiration comes from Satan himself: their Allah. Their book is evil to the core. Their actions in spreading this cursed abomination are evil. They cannot be our allies EVER, because they are anti-God and anti-Christ.

The left is THEIR ally because they are also anti-God and anti-Christ and they serve the purposes of the Islamicists in destroying Western Civilization and Judeo-Christian values. The Mohammadans and their leftist terrorist allies must ALL be destroyed completely and forever.

fieldmarshaldj, Free Republic 15 Comments [9/7/2017 11:29:18 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131358

It’s already started with Trump who shouldn’t have been elected President but was elected against all odds. God is taking a hand in America.

Those who have no faith will have a tough time retaining and recovering their freedom. Faith and freedom are two sides of the same coin.

If all our Founders saw was what was around them, America would never have been birthed. The miracle of America happened because despite the overwhelming odds of some rag-tag colonists against the mightiest nation on earth, they believed in the God of Divine Providence, and it was their faith combined with the God of Divine Providence that CHANGED fact and birthed the impossible miracle that was America.

The same is happening right now and has already started as evidenced by the miraculous election of Trump.

If all you can see are “facts” - what is around you - then you’ll never have what it takes to participate in the recovery our Free Constitutional Republic.

Jim 0216, Free Republic 18 Comments [9/7/2017 11:28:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131357

You cannot be religious and be what the left is today... Why do you think Communism requires the church be destroyed? Because the STATE is god and no other god can come before it....

You cannot be an honest religious person and be a leftist... because the left demands the state uber alles. This is completely at odds with any monotheism or even polytheism....

You can pretend to be a good whatever and be a leftist, but in reality you are only lying to yourself. Religious beliefs when honest with them will always put you at odds with leftist dogma.. (modern leftist dogma) because You cannot have the State be God and still claim to follow any religion.

HamiltonJay, Free Republic 10 Comments [9/7/2017 11:28:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131356

“LGBT Christians”

The use of that phrase in so many discussions about Christianity drives me straight into crazy.

How about instead of Christian Gays we use the phrase “Christian Murderers” or “Christian Thieves”? How about Christian Pedophiles or Christian Rapists.

If you are in open sin and refuse to repent of that sin, I am not sure you can call yourself a Christian.

wbarmy, Free Republic 22 Comments [9/7/2017 11:28:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie