Quote# 128800
[Royce has previously cited transphobic, discredited, disavowed psychologist Paul McHugh to support trans-bashing. Ambulance Chaser has responded that there is ample evidence McHugh is wrong.]
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Cite your evidence
Ambulance Chaser:
Arlene Lev: Transgender Emergence: Therapeutic Guidelines for Working with Gender Variant People and their Families
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
That's not evidence. That's a reference. And it's not even a good one.
Ambulance Chaser:
Yes, it's a reference to a well-written, well-researched book by an expert in the field. Come back to me once you've read it.
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Thanks for publicly displaying what you consider "well-written, well-researched book by an expert in the field".
"Grounded in feminist family therapy, therapeutic services are directed towards empowerment and authenticity and the nurturing of healthy queer families."
"In 2000 Lev founded the Rainbow Access Initiative, a training program on LGBT issues for therapists and medical professionals in the Capital Region of New York."
"As Lev began to work with transgender clients and their families in the mid-1980s, she realized how little her training had prepared her in sexuality, sexual issues, and gender. In the process of training herself in this area she wrote her first book"
As always, appreciate you discrediting yourself and bringing to our attention another bias "expert" promoting the immoral behavior.
Ambulance Chaser:
Yes? I don't see a problem with any of that.
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
They ya go folks! Finally an admission from a spiritually-dead one that he had no problem with a biased, non-expert, non-qualified, promoter of the LGBTQABCXYZ agenda being used as an expert and their books and "counsel" being used to establish Societal norms.
Is that who ya wanna listen to and rely on?
Ambulance Chaser:
Yes, she's biased. Just like Paul McHugh, meaning we should ignore everything he says as well.
Or maybe we should stop playing ad hominem games and start evaluating the statements themselves. So, what is it Arlene Lev said that you disagree with?
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Provide your evidence that McHugh is biased? He's got the credentials. She don't!!
Ambulance Chaser:
Again, stop playing your ad hominem game and let's discuss what was actually said.
Now, what part of Lev's book do you disagree with?
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Again, stop playing your ad hominem game. Provide your evidence that McHugh is biased.
Ambulance Chaser:
Well, he keeps ignoring evidence and insisting on his position.
Now, can we discuss the issues or not?
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
What evidence? Provide it.
Ambulance Chaser:
Enough with Paul McHugh. Are we going to talk about the facts or not?
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Ah, I see. So your saying you want to rely on the "experts" was just a lie. A ruse.
Got it. Thanks.
Ambulance Chaser:
No, I'm saying I want to talk about the subject and not play games with whose expert is smarter.
Now, for the last time, are we going to discuss the actual topic or not?
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Hmm, trying to follow your logic and reasoning abilities here. Earlier you said that we have to rely on the "experts". Now you say we don't. Which is it?
And you want to discuss the topic? Why? Are you claiming to be an expert now? If so, would you be the expert that we're supposed to listen to or the one that doesn't matter?
Ambulance Chaser:
I'm saying there's no value in playing ad hominem games about who wrote articles. Either the conclusions in the article are correct, or they're not. And there's no reason to discuss which author is smarter, who has more experience, etc.
Now, are we going to discuss the actual science or not? (For what must be the fifth time?)
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Oh, so you're admitting you get to decide whether the conclusions are correct or not? If there is no reason to discuss which author is smarter, who has more experience, etc. then why are you the one who said we have to rely on the experts? You seem to be confused. Smh. Since the "science" actually came from someone which their intelligence, experience, etc. is irrelevant why would one bother to discuss that science anyways? After all, if they're not smart enough and not experienced enough to conduct what's needed and properly record the results why would anyone want to discuss that? Again, you seem quite confused.
Of course we all know why you say that now. Because the only thing that matters is who agrees with you. Because YOU are the expert. Got it. You're a legend in your own mind. Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with God. He knows more than you do.
And I know what He has said.
Ambulance Chaser:
I said I wanted to DISCUSS the topic, not that I was smarter, or you were. But you clearly just want to play disingenuous games, insult me, bob, dodge, and weave, and literally do anything but actually have a conversation about the issues.
So we're done.
Royce E. Van Blaricome:
We can all see what you said. Just as you were the one who said you wanted to disperse with the ad hominems and just proved that a lie as well.
The only one playing disingenuous games, insulting, bobbing, dodging, and weaving, and literally doing anything but actually having a conversation about the issues is you. Otherwise you wouldn't be contradicting yourself, citing your evidence, and resorting to empty rhetoric like you just did.
Now, since we're done, I gotta get outside and do a few things before dark. Thanks again for publicly displaying what ya got for all to see. Always appreciated when things go back to the Truth with a simple "because that's what God said".
Royce E. Van Blaricome,
Christian News Network 16 Comments [7/3/2017 1:43:56 PM]
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