Quote# 124558

Sometime when I was in high school I was in a class that watched 12 Angry Men, rightfully considered a classic film. I vaguely remember my impression at the time was of surprised admiration. The fact that a black and white film could be enjoyable and impactful was somewhat unexpected to my shallow 15 year old self. Of course what really struck me, and presumably everyone else who likes the movie, was how close the jury came to carrying out an “obvious” miscarriage of justice. The portrayal of the situation by the movie was that prejudice and human fallibility were conspiring to condemn a young boy to death. As such, it was only just that he should be found not guilty. At least, that was how 15 year old me felt. How I was supposed to feel I guess.

I recently watched this film again and I now take the message of the film with a large grain of salt. As I have grown older and wiser, and also more experienced with neoreaction, it is easier to spot the undeniably progressive stance of the film. 12 Angry Men is the quintessential artistic expression of the progressive attitude toward the criminal justice system. The film itself was made in 1957, which was a time at an early stage of progressive reform of the courts. These reforms, which were implemented during the 50s and 60s, led to a huge spike in criminal activity during the 70s and early 80s. The reforms made it much more difficult for prosecutors to actually convict real criminals at trial. After all, it is better that 99 criminals go free than 1 innocent man goes to prison, right? Well, apparently not. Legislatures and prosecutors reacted to the surge in criminality created by these reforms by putting into place the draconian penalties and mandatory minimum sentences that allow prosecutors to scare 97% of the accused into accepting plea bargains to avoid the extremely harsh sentencing that would result from a jury trial conviction. For more on the changes that have taken place in the criminal justice system over the last 60 years or so, I recommend Handle’s review of “The collapse of American Justice” (and of course the book itself).

...

The accusing jurist himself, along with 2 or 3 other jurists to a lesser degree, is an interesting example of a caricatured archetypal conservative. Where the progressive leaning jurists are portrayed as calm, reasonable and objective, the “conservative” jurists are portrayed as emotional, angry, and prejudiced in order to create as polar a dichotomy as possible. In other words, good and evil were clearly defined by the exaggerated character and personalities of the individual jurists. This was especially pronounced in the attitudes written for the right leaning jurists towards immigrants and other ethnicities, which seems to be an early example of anti-white “anti-racism”. That is, the audience is made to feel antipathy towards the obviously negative personalities of the white, conservative jurists with illiberal opinions by associating those opinions with the absurd and flawed characters. For example, the “bad” jurists angrily referred to immigrants and minorities with disdain through terms like “they are just like that,” “that’s how they are,” and “that’s what people from the slums do”. Never mind the fact that such observations aren’t completely irrational, the point was to paint the picture that anyone who might use such information to help them decide a case is just as evil as this caricature through the association of flawed personalities with quick and prejudiced judgements. As illogical as such an association is, the film succeeds masterfully at this point.

It was this portrayal of the personalities of pro-guilty (IE conservative) jurists that I found to be most bothersome. In the most notable example of ad hominem via caricatured conservative, one jurist was given a back-story of conflict with his own son. He apparently was a hard father who engaged in a savage fight with his boy when he was 16. The boy had left and never spoken to his father again for many years. This bad father thus projected his bad situation onto the accused boy and associated the accused with his own disappointment and bitterness he experienced with his son. “Bad” was determined as much if not more via synthesized character attacks against the archetypal conservatives as it was by synthesized doubtful evidence. Surely this emotional appeal has little to do with jurists, conservatives, or justice in reality. And yet, we can see how effective it was on influencing the average person by the prominence of the movie in cultural history and the ultimate success of the progressive reformers to change the system.

Although this is a well made film and worth a watch, it has to be understood in the context of the times and especially the progressive ideologies of the writers. Being fictional, it is easy to simply manufacture doubtful evidence, testimony, and flawed personalities of jurists. Within the context of the reality created by the film, the progressive message does indeed seem right and just. However, a better way to judge the film is by the real world consequences of the progressive ideologies it embodies. Considering the sorry state of our modern criminal justice system, history should not remember this film anywhere near as favorably as it currently does.

Atavisionary, Atavisionary 8 Comments [2/15/2017 10:56:04 PM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 124555


[On a video ("Common Misconceptions About Evolution")presented by Hank Green]


Why not let female presenters do a much better job while preserving diversity and inclusion? This show's sexism is showing again. Women are people too, SciShow.?




Jessica VVV, Youtube 8 Comments [2/15/2017 10:54:21 PM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 124552

[OP of "Happy Valentine's Day!"]



Machcharge, Reddit - r/Physical_Removal 15 Comments [2/15/2017 10:53:05 PM]
Fundie Index: 9
Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 124551

Too accurate for the primitives to enjoy.
Religions were all pulled out of the asses of con artists, and perpetuated by those who wish to use them to their own advantage, and their willing sheep who want to be told what to do.
Sounds like... liberals!?

Tim Crow, youtube 9 Comments [2/15/2017 10:52:59 PM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 124549

You gotta love the language of the pro-abortion types: “an affront to women’s autonomy and decision-making capacity.” Apparently they do not believe women are autonomous enough to make the decision to say "No!' to a man. They always talk as if, by some mysterious process, the fetus just invaded the woman's womb against her will.

What happened to parents? They used to tell daughters, "If you sleep around, you can get pregnant." Oh, and "Men will use you if you let them." So now women actively encourage men to use them, and they call that "autonomy." A woman who lets herself be used as an orifice by a man who feels nothing for her is not "autonomous," she has dehumanized and objectified herself. Feminism sends men the message - "Use us! We like it!"



Gary Whiteman, Christian News Network  20 Comments [2/15/2017 6:01:14 PM]
Fundie Index: 11

Quote# 124548

“Hillary Clinton is telling up front what this is all about,” he said. “She’s bragging it’s about Pizzagate. She’s telling them, ‘We took you down, you dared talk about our filthy child molestation and we took you down.’ That’s what she’s saying.” (Flynn’s son has avidly promoted the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, causing him to lose his job in the administration’s transition team, and Flynn himself has also embraced many wild conspiracy theories, including one linking Clinton to “sex crimes [with] children.”)

Wiles asserted that “devil-worshiping, Luciferian, demon-possessed maniacs” have formed a “criminal cabal [that is] running this nation and much of the world” that allows them to engage in “child trafficking, child molestation, child rape, [and] child murder.”

When the truth is finally revealed, Wiles warned, “there will be mass vomiting in the society when the people find out what these demon-possessed rulers have been doing for decades with children.”

“Many of the key officials, elected and appointed, and in corporate board rooms and in Hollywood and in New York City, they are part of a global child molestation ring,” said Wiles, who insisted that Clinton is now “relishing in the fact that they brought down General Flynn because he knows what they are and what they’re doing.”



Rick Wiles, Right Wing Watch 14 Comments [2/15/2017 6:01:03 PM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Damned at Random

Quote# 124546

Black people being gay is more of an advantage for white people. It simply means less black children being born. You could call it a ‘Black LGBT Genocide’. Why else do you think that white people are all for gay rights? It basically means that instead of blackpeople fighting the white supremacist system that we are in, they’re too busy having sex with the enemy.

MubsOnline, MubzOnline 13 Comments [2/15/2017 5:59:56 PM]
Fundie Index: 11

Quote# 124545

"Your post isn't honest. Children aren't being "encouraged" to ignore their gender, you can't encourage or discourage such things just as you can't "recruit" people to alter their sexuality. People are what they are. But WHEN a child, or adult, feels they are the opposite sex trapped in a body of the wrong gender, we listen to them, we are compassionate. We don't call them faith-based names and insults and call them sinners over something they don't choose."

Your post isn't honest. That's the biggest load of hogwash to come down the pipe since the pig factory closed. How does one know malarkey when they see it? Just take what's said and insert another likely scenario into it. Such as:

"People are what they are. But WHEN a child, or adult, feels they are the opposite sex trapped in a body of the wrong gender, we listen to them, we are compassionate."

Okie Dokie, let's check that theory out:

People are what they are. But WHEN a child, or adult, feels they are a serial killer, we listen to them, we are compassionate.

People are what they are. But WHEN a child, or adult, feels they are an orangutan, we listen to them, we are compassionate.

People are what they are. But WHEN a child, or adult, feels they are a necrophiliac, we listen to them, we are compassionate.

Need I go on?

If a child feels like he wants to pick up an axe and chop his little brother or sister into pieces, you just sit 'em down and listen to them and be compassionate with them and let 'em know that's perfectly ok. Not me.

If a child feels like all they want to eat is ice cream every day all day long, you just sit 'em down and listen to them, be compassionate with them, and validate their FEELINGS! Not me.

I can only hope you're not adding your genetics to the gene pool.

Moreover, the Homosexual literature of the 60's and 70's contradict what you're saying. They made it clear their goal was to go after the children AND they wrote about how to RECRUIT them!!

There is NO such thing as Transgenderism. It IS a made-up concept to justify one's CHOICE to sin. Calling them Sinners is simply attaching the truth to their behaviors. Just like calling one who CHOOSES to kill an innocent person a Murderer or calling one who steals a Thief.

If the shoe fits, and you like the shoe, then wear it.





Royce E. Van Blaricome, Christian News Network 14 Comments [2/15/2017 5:59:48 PM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 124537

There are two Greek words used in the New Testament for love: agape and phileo. Very simply expressed: agape is God loving us because of WHO HE IS; whereas, phileo is God loving us because of WHO WE ARE. So, obviously, God does not phileo unrepentant sinners, but He does agape them! And we ought do the same! I agape everyone, because of WHO I AM; but I phileo certain people that I am fond of, because of WHO THEY ARE. God does not phileo the soul that He casts into Hell, but He still agapes them.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 13 Comments [2/15/2017 2:18:38 PM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 124536

I know the real God is real.

Fairy-tale characters are for darwinists, i.e. many/most darwinist believe space aliens jizzed on the earth to create bacteria which proceeded to transform into all forms of life. Those space aliens with magical jizz are fairy-tale characters. You believe in the evolution fairy-tale, so fairy-tale characters are right up your alley!

Navaros, IMDb 18 Comments [2/15/2017 2:18:29 PM]
Fundie Index: 9

Quote# 124535

In an ideal society, most people would be steered roward a hands-on productive career long before the age of ten, and there would be apprenticeship systems in place to ensure that people had the skills necessary to work productively.

There will always be a need for a certain number of dedicated “thinkers.” But we honestly have far too many, and they are allowed far too much leeway. Once again, in an ideal society, there would be constraints placed on their work and research–if it was deemed appropriate to the good of society, it would be allowed to continue, if it defied natural social order and established precedent, it would be be stopped and that researcher prohibited from further work. A dedicated council should exist that would perform periodic audits and regularly review the work of researchers to determine if it constitutes a net public “good” or if it should be stopped–or even allowed to begin in the first place. The threat of censure would provide strong incentive to researchers and inventors to confine their work to practical, useful matters instead of airy-fairy, feel-good “progress” that wastes resources, time and money and endangers the stability of civilization while providing no tangible benefits. Progress for its own sake, technological or otherwise, benefits no one.

Donald Bagdasarian, Jim's Blog 26 Comments [2/15/2017 2:18:21 PM]
Fundie Index: 11

Quote# 124534

[From the "2011 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices" part on France]

In December 2010 the Fort-de-France Criminal Court on Martinique convicted businessman Alain Huygues-Despointes for praising crimes against humanity. The conviction stemmed from a 2009 television interview in which Huygues-Despointes stated there were “positive aspects” of slavery and criticized mixed-race marriages because he wanted to “preserve” his race. The judge ordered him to pay a 7,500 euro ($9,750) fine. The Fort-de-France criminal court subsequently rejected Huygues-Despointes’s appeal and ordered him ordered to pay a 20,000 euro ($26,000) fine as well as pay for the full-page publication of the judgment against him in the local newspapers. Huygues-Despointes filed an appeal with the court of cassation; a court date had not been set by year’s end.

Alain Huygues-Despointe, United States Department of State 7 Comments [2/15/2017 2:18:10 PM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 124533

This new documentary shows some very deeply hidden secrets, looking at Demons and Gargoyles from the ancient world, they can take a variety of forms. Dragons, devils, demons, half-human and half-animal are the most common. The styles and possible meaning and functions will be discussed here. While there is growing interest in these carvings, which originated during the time of ancient Egypt, there is not a large amount of meaningful written material concerning them.

The documentary shows that In various religions, devils and demons are evil or harmful supernatural beings. Devils are generally regarded as the adversaries of the gods, while the image of demons ranges from mischief makers to powerful destructive forces. In many religions, devils and demons stand on the opposite side of the cosmic balance from gods and angels.

Disclose TruthTV , youtube 9 Comments [2/15/2017 2:12:12 PM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 124531

Technology is Satans Gift. Technology is Evil, Just look what it's doing to society today? Look how an entire generation is hooked on it. Everywhere u look people are hooked on there phones and devices. Electronic Opium! Think about what technology is doing to our children. And as time goes on it's going to get much worse! Sometimes I wish an EMP would go off but then again I don't because with an EMP will come death and destruction. People are so dependent on technology that if we were to just have it shut off there would be wide spread death and destruction and that will be horrible, I don't want to see people die. I just wish people would realize how dependent we are on technology!?

Mr Cut Folks, youtube 31 Comments [2/15/2017 11:04:42 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: PETF

Quote# 124520

"A record number of poor kids are eating breakfast — thanks to a program many conservatives hate"

First, only a liberal media source like the Washington Post would brag about a record number of children being dependent on a government program due to their parents not providing for them. Whether it's a result of poor economic conditions where they live or lack of personal responsibility, it's nothing to be proud of. Second, calling these lunches free is fake news. Just like every other government program from the Affordable Care Act on down someone is always paying for those who are incapable of or refuse to provide for themselves and their children. Third, this program and all others should only be for the truly poor and one has to be just that to not be able to afford a big $2.00 container of oatmeal and bananas to cut up and put over the top of it. Finally, I have the misfortune of knowing several individuals who have children with 3-4 different women and don't provide for them. Can you guess who does? The rest of us. May the government start permanently sterilizing individuals who through their irresponsible actions and selfishness create a burden on the rest of society. They are a cancer in need of major radiation. They make me sick.


74Patriot1776, The Washington Post 24 Comments [2/15/2017 8:06:01 AM]
Fundie Index: 8

Quote# 124530

Why do poor people make copies of themselves? Is it not child abuse to create these copies, knowing that in all likelyhood they will be forced to face the same struggle as their parents?

I'm not arguing for forced sterilization but if you are born into poverty and you have a problem with that; your parents chose this life for you.

I'm relatively rich and even I hate my parents for creating me and forcing me to endure this crappy society.

How about some honesty; Society does not need more average people. Giving your life purpose and meaning or making you happy are not a good enough reasons to make a copy of yourself.

Dyz, FSTDT 20 Comments [2/15/2017 6:42:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Uilleam

Quote# 124529



Pinochet Helicopter Rides and Rentals, Facebook 15 Comments [2/15/2017 6:42:16 AM]
Fundie Index: 14
Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 124528

Then wonder no longer, because I will tell you right now: no larger nor more evil scum exists in this world than does the legion of baby-murdering feminists, and every time I declare the facts of God's statuses as King, Father, Patriarch, Male, Masculine and with His Almighty Holy Righteous Penis...those baby-murdering feminists boil with rage! That alone warrants frequent and jubilant declarations of the facts of God's Penis!

And the even bigger benefit is yet to come: those same baby-murdering feminists will have to kneel before Him and His Glorious Penis while they face Him at His Judgement Seat and have to account to Him for their evils, right before His Holy, Righteous Penis smacks them upside their heads and knock them into the lake of fire in Hell!

To summarize that more shortly, I love talking about God's Penis mainly because evildoers hate hearing about God's Penis! And also because I love justice, and It is the Tool of Deliverance for said justice to the most evil scum who has ever defaced the face of the earth, namely, baby-murdering feminists! Praise God! Amen!

In addition, I also have to talk about God's Penis a lot to pick up the slack of everyone else who neglects to talk about It because they are afraid of offending feminist monsters! I have to do my own work, and also the work that they should be doing, but aren't!

By the way Nat, you yourself corroborate everything I say, every time your new posts fail to acknowledge the fact of God's Penis, and instead your new posts continue to spout the she-god strawmen and/or the he/she god strawman. That makes me think you are terrified of God's Penis for the same reasons I've outlined above! If you want to prove me wrong, then do so in your next post by admitting the fact that God is a He with a Holy, Righteous Penis!

Prove

Navaros, IMDb 18 Comments [2/15/2017 6:42:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 13

Quote# 124526

I'm all for free speech and democracy but Drumpf is a nazi and so is anybody who voted for him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with punching his nazi supporters in the face until they can't talk. If anything you are actually defending free speech and democracy from these nazi fascists.

Anonymous, FSTDT 19 Comments [2/15/2017 6:41:57 AM]
Fundie Index: 3

Quote# 124525

The Alt Right is not National Socialism or Fascism. If it was it would just be called National Socialism or Fascism.

You could absolutely be alt-right and favour a fairly limited government free society.

I believe for example that more freedom could quite possibly achieve our goals, if Civil Rights type legislation that coerces white people to associate with non-whites was repealed I think we'd start to see a natural movement back to white ethnic enclaves for example

Just a few small things, like allowing people to make racially based restrictive covenants on properties again, would probably make a huge difference.

Unfortunately the Nazi larping stuff is quite prominent so the tone of debate you'll get when advocating a more libertarian approach will often be quite dismissive.

Herewardwakes, Reddit 8 Comments [2/15/2017 6:41:39 AM]
Fundie Index: 7

Quote# 124524

The disgusting slander of the dark ages is that the level of scholarship is the way to determine how good a society is. In reality an explosion of scholarship is a sign of decadence and theough the mechanism of undermining traditional values precedes the collapse of a society.

There is no reason to have universities. They were founded to provide legal services to visiting scholars. Scholars are scum and deserve to be beaten at the slightest provocation.

peppermint, Jim's Blog 20 Comments [2/15/2017 6:41:21 AM]
Fundie Index: 14

Quote# 124523

Only a twisted, demented, evil mind/soul would consider Onanating one's self to be "normal." Even Onan himself knew that he was shame of the entire world.

I have seen this same logical fallacy from many other darwinists too: they assume that because they are despicably evil, that everyone else is also despicably evil! I henceforth coin this phenomenon as "the darwinist fallacy."

Navaros, IMDb 13 Comments [2/15/2017 6:41:14 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 124522

Do leftoids and their antifa schlock troops have any self-awareness at all? Because if they did, they’d recoil at what their “progressive” movement has become: a bought and paid for tool of the Deep State. Their “Fight the Man!” ilk used to revolt against the Establishment before it became a moral imperative to support Davosian globalist oligarchs and neocon warmongers.

Case in point: the resignation of national security advisor Mike Flynn from Trump’s Cabinet. I won’t get into the thickets here concerning the events leading up to Flynn’s departure (it isn’t nearly as scandalous as the FakeNews media would have you to believe), but suffice to say the Left is very happy that their new Master, the invade-the-world, invite-the-world Deep State, has claimed a Trump Administration scalp.

...

I agree with both anonymous and Jack D. Trump’s “cave” (perceptions matter when you aren’t controlling the leftoid media megaphone) will make his Presidency more difficult. You give a shitlib an inch, they’ll take a mile. That is the nature of r-selected critters.

But Jack D is also right that Trump genuinely admires Pence and probably felt he had to do him a solid on this issue, if it’s true that Flynn dissembled to Pence and jeopardized Pence’s integrity, (even if the matter on which Flynn dissembled is in the grand scheme the smallest of potatoes). I think Trump may come out ahead in the long run if Flynn’s resignation establishes an anti-Deep State precedent that Trump will tolerate no lying in his Cabinet, and firings are a real threat for anti-Trump subversives.

But the moral of the story is the Left’s total and complete alignment with the GloboHomo Axis of Weasel’s project to deracinate Western nations and replace them with chaotic, socially disemboweled market bazaars selling cheap Chinese-made trinkets and zika-laced tacos.

The leftoid equalist rebels will gladly subsume their directives to the Deep State if it means a continuation of open borders and the rest of the anti-White globalist agenda. It always comes back to anti-White posturing. Always. Shitlibs will rationalize any putrid alliance as long as their precious anti-White “social justice” isn’t hindered.

The real revolutionaries now are on the Maul-Right; we fight a crooked Establishment that includes, but is not limited to, the media, the government bureaucracy, the Deep State, the Democrats, the Republicans, academia, the judiciary, the entertainment propaganda machine, the Left, the Russophobic neocons, the Mexican squatters, the cucked Anglosphere, the Soros saboteurs, the SJW social media censors, and the street theater antifa perception manipulators and demoralization agents.

We are David versus the Goliath Left. If only the Left had the decency to recognize which side of that battle they represent.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 12 Comments [2/15/2017 6:41:08 AM]
Fundie Index: 8

Quote# 124521

When the anti-Christ comes the Moslems will flock to him like flies to dung, Islam will end.
And we know that the reign of the anti-Christ is of very short duration.

It's going to get really ugly, but it won't last long.

Widlast, Christian Forums 6 Comments [2/15/2017 6:40:47 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 124519

As a side note, a few weeks later my husband had asked me to wrap some bottles of wine to give as gifts to his clients. As I was wrapping them, my hands started to burn. I had to stop because the burning became so severe. I asked one of my sons if he could see anything, and he said yes, and that it was the wine that had the demons in it. This surprised me, for this wine was from a very small and private vineyard that was owned by a Christian home schooling friend of my husband.

I share this post with some apprehension, for I know there are many Christians out there who drink, and they can get quite upset when their drink is in question. Yet from all that we have seen in the unseen world, liquor of any kind, yes even wine from a Christian, is filled with demons.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 27 Comments [2/14/2017 4:17:00 PM]
Fundie Index: 6