Quote# 134948

Why are there age limits? why can't i marry a 12-year old?

Literally because of feminists.

No one in the entire world had a problem with this and it was common to marry off young 13-14 year old girls to older men all over Europe and even America until the fucking Suffragettes and later Feminists ruined that for everyone by making it illegal.

It's social programming and manipulation only, there is no scientific basis to restrict it to such an arbitrary age. All cries of "not fully developed" and rekt by the fact nature says''s they are physically capable of childbirth at 13 due to first period, and mentally, it goes according to individual. Most adult women are not mentally mature enough to "handle" sex today anyways it's a bullshit excuse used by American puritans and idiot fathers who want their daughters to remain pure until death.

Anonymous, 4plebs 9 Comments [12/8/2017 6:35:28 AM]
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Quote# 134945

My experience with colored people have predominately been good. Friendship while growing up and some flings with girls as well during the years.
However that is completely irrelevant to the racial reality and as such the reality that they as a group of people overall tend to be more prone to criminality and violence. Also there is the reality that they as a group overall have a strong dysgenic impact on Europeans and that Europeans, specifically homogeneous Europeans who are predominately Meds, Dinards - Falics and Nordics - are the pillar of humanity - this includes male creativity (mostly creating the modern technical world overall due to a very gifted spatial ability in our males), culture, sentient wise, aesthetically human beauty wise, artistically and morally overall. Their growing existence in our countries weakens and directly threatens the better races white civilizations. Numerous great white civilizations have already fallen due to invasions, immigration and substantial race-mixing with non-whites. The Nordic ideal should have won after WW2 and with it a more racial - monolithic Europe plus whites worldwide on the whole.

Falicintegralism, Reddit 20 Comments [12/7/2017 2:19:03 PM]
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Quote# 134944

I think that God, in His omniscience, gave us "crap options A and B" because that is what our country has been asking for for a long time. Just as Israel wanted a king, against the rule of God.........our country has been kicking God out of everything and wanting nothing even resembling Him here. So, He gave us our wish. Trump and Hillary. No matter which one got elected, it would result in the mess we have now. It is NOT going to get any better, folks. We are in the last of the last days, and judgement is in process. Come soon, Lord Jesus.

kathymendel, Rapture Ready 11 Comments [12/7/2017 2:18:59 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134926

I must say that you wrote an excellent book when you wrote about the Gap Theory. I agree with this theory of biblical creationism. We live on an Old Earth; however, we were not made by evolution and are no relation to the ancient life forms found in the fossils. You are truly a scholar and Marshall University, founded by the Virginia Legislature before the Civil War, should be proud of you.

I wish to say one other thing. Those who are non-Christians should not be rude to our host. Be polite and express a respectable opinion. I am an educated Methodist Christian and proud of it. One day I will be absent from the body and present with the Lord (II Corinthians 5:6-8). I would advise non-Christians to reconsider their opinions. One day it will be too late!

George, FSTDT 9 Comments [12/6/2017 11:40:35 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 134923

The dimocrats own the concept of shooting themselves in the gonads. Since the thugs don't care about the evil within their party, I don't care about any misdeeds done by dimocrats. Franken could be accused of raping Ann Frank on the steps of the nearest temple and I would still be on his side. The dimocrats holier than the Republicans attitude will do nothing more than guarantee the permanency of the rethug reich.

blaid droog, Wonkette 24 Comments [12/6/2017 11:40:03 PM]
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Quote# 134922

[Comment under "Hi, my name is Beth Reinhard. I work for the Washington Post, and I was outed for trying to pay a women $1000 to accuse Roy Moore of sexual assault"]

Hang that bitch right next to the Wall Street bull

zechoriah, Reddit - r/The_Donald 9 Comments [12/6/2017 11:39:53 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 134903

I had this thought today..I can see it getting to a point in the future where animal agricultures profits get affected that much by people turning their back to factory farming that some new wave of "vegan terrorists" will magically appear out of nowhere attacking slaughterhouses etccc (all secretly funded by them of course) and in turn vegans will be portrayed as public enemy number one, currently how it is with Muslim extremists at the moment..

charlygorpe, r/vegan 6 Comments [12/6/2017 2:44:39 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134896


Translation: When there is something to obtain, they throw their principles and rules of faith overboard.

Vlaams Belang Kapellen, Twitter 21 Comments [12/6/2017 2:44:05 PM]
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Quote# 134895

(In answer to question what evidence is there for the claim that we all need to be saved and that Jesus is a the saviour)

The evidence is alienation inclusive of any non acted out nastiness in one's mind.
That things are not going as well as they could be although as far agnostic and atheists that is usually down to other people (Don't forget that all people are included in somebody's other people).
If you look at other religions they are commandment following, scales of justice or technique based.

What evidence do you have that there is no alienation, that it is down to people and that law-following or techniques can actually save or whether only God can take it upon himself.

Private Frazer, Religion and Ethics 12 Comments [12/6/2017 2:43:58 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 134920

My mother is an 81-year-old farmer. Before she practiced Falun Dafa she suffered from various ailments. In June 1997, the doctor told my mother that she would only live a few more months. It was about this time that she was introduced to Falun Dafa.

Since practicing Falun Dafa, my mother can now read all of the teachings of Master Li Hongzhi, the founder of Dafa, and write short poems. She lives alone and can take care of herself. She works on the farm and can see just fine. She does not need to wear glasses to read. Her hearing is great, too. She is as fit as a fiddle. My mother used to be impatient and unforgiving. Now she gets along with her neighbors and everyone respects her. Last year, my mother slipped and fell down the stairs while carrying a basket of peanuts. Since my father passed away in 2009, she has lived alone. All of her children live in different cities, so we were unaware of her accident. She said her first thought was not to call her children but to ask Master Li for help. She assured herself that, as a Falun Dafa practitioner, she would be okay. She recited “Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance is good” over and over again. After a while, she could gently move one hand. She touched her head and felt many bumps. A few bones were protruding from her back and other areas. Words cannot describe the pain she was in. Mother tried to inch forward and grabbed the edge of a stone crock about a meter away. With all her might and at the same time asking Master for help, she managed to stand up!

She picked up the peanuts and slowly climbed up the stairs to the second floor. As my mother sat down to read Zhuan Falun, she suddenly realized that she could neither sit nor stand normally. She had to lean gingerly against the bed, chair, or table. It was very difficult for her to eat, drink, or go to the toilet. In spite of her condition, she read the Dafa teachings. At night my mother could not sleep because her whole body ached. She curled up in bed and kept reciting “Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance is good.”

My mother told me she did not know how long she slept, but she woke up at 3:40 a.m. Usually she does the Falun Dafa exercises at that time. She was still in pain but felt better. Though unable to do the exercises properly, she still managed to finish the standing exercises. When it was time to do the sitting meditation, because a bone in her leg was protruding, it was difficult and extremely painful to sit in the full lotus position. She then remembered Master's words in Zhuan Falun: “When it’s difficult to endure, you can endure it. When it’s impossible to do, you can do it.”

When she pulled her legs up it was so painful that she broke out in a cold sweat. She ignored the pain and focused on listening to the exercise music. Mother finished the one-hour sitting meditation and went on to send righteous thoughts. After an hour, she put her legs down and discovered that she could move better. The pain was gone, too. She tried to walk and did not feel any discomfort. The bones that had been protruding weren't anymore. Only the bump on her head remained, but it did not hurt. In other words, it took 22 hours from the time my mother fell and could not move to complete recovery. This is the miracle of Dafa that happened to my mother. Just imagine--an elderly woman in her 80s recovering this quickly! Even a young person who had a fall like that might end up in the hospital for months. Yet my mother had such unexpected results because of her deep faith in Falun Dafa and Master. I am grateful to Master Li for protecting our family. It is my hope that people get to know the truth about Falun Dafa and not be misled by Chinese Communist Party propaganda. If you sincerely recite “Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance is good,” you will be blessed!

Unknown author, Minghui 5 Comments [12/6/2017 2:43:43 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134916

At least 10 Islamic schools in England are still segregating boys and girls in co-educational schools, while others are likely to be separating the genders for certain activities, despite a recent court ruling outlawing the practice. Details emerged in an appeal court judgment on Tuesday, which turned down an attempt by the Association of Muslim Schools (AMS) to join a legal action to seek leave to appeal to the supreme court for a review of the segregation ruling.

The request followed a judgment last month when three court of appeal judges found that Al-Hijrah Islamic school in Birmingham had caused unlawful discrimination by formally segregating girls and boys from the age of nine. The court heard that boys and girls were taught in different classrooms and were made to use separate corridors and play areas. The segregation policy also applied to clubs and school trips.

The judgment overturned an earlier high court ruling which found that Ofsted inspectors were wrong to penalise the school on the basis of an “erroneous” view that the segregation amounted to discrimination. In its successful appeal, Ofsted argued that the school had breached the 2010 Equalities Act. The AMS, which represents 133 Muslim faith schools including Al-Hijrah, said 10 of its members and probably other non-members still had formal segregation policies in place, while other schools segregated children for particular activities. Other faith schools were also likely to be implicated, it said.

The written judgment said the AMS chairman, Ashfaque Alichowdhury, told the court the association’s role was to ensure member schools complied with their legal obligations and acted in a way that was consistent with Islamic teachings and practices. “The court of appeal’s judgment may have created a conflict between these two fundamental requirements which compromises the association’s ability to fulfil what it understands are its purposes,” Alichowdhury said.

“The judgment also puts the segregating schools at immediate risk of challenge from statutory bodies and other interested parties. Clearly where there is a conflict, the schools and the association must obey the law. However, the association believes that this is an important issue and would welcome a review of the court of appeal decision by the supreme court.” The AMS also said the ruling had created uncertainty over future Ofsted inspections at affected schools, and complained of a lack of guidance from Ofsted or the Department for Education over segregation.

An Ofsted spokesperson said on Tuesday that any school potentially affected by the judgment could seek legal advice if required.

“In each case, the school’s individual circumstances would need to be assessed. And the DfE, as the registration body for schools, will support it to make any necessary changes. “We are discussing the implications of the judgment, and what they mean for future inspections, with the DfE.”

Refusing the AMS application to join the legal action, the judges said Al-Hijrah school, which was the subject and claimant in the proceedings, accepted the decision and was working with the council to implement it. “The school does not encourage or support the desire of AMS to obtain permission to appeal in order to overturn the decision.”

Unknown Islamic schools, The Guardian 2 Comments [12/6/2017 2:43:21 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134915

One of the points at the end is protection of private parts from Djin. This is true to some extend. I married a Muslim woman and the marriage was hell. The woman was tortured by spirits. When she goes to bathroom somebody stood outside to assist her if Djin attacked.

If thus was limited to her we could think that it could be some kind of delusion. But slowly slowly it started attacking me. In Islam you can not remain aloof. Powerful spirits will haunt you till the time you submit to Allah. They do so much in the physical plane where they could be caught. So you can guess how much more they would do on spiritual plane.

Peterson, Bare Naked Islam 8 Comments [12/6/2017 2:42:54 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134914

(This fundie is talking about the ALF, a terrorist animal rights group that harasses researchers.)

I think they keep a low profile bec they advocate nonviolent but sometimes illegal methods of reducing animal suffering.

Like resistance groups during ww2 or civil rights activists in the 60's, there are animal activists willing to risk their own freedom to reduce the suffering of other sentient beings.

From a consequentialist ethics perspective that includes animal well-being, 'stealing' foie gras ducks and freeing them, (non-violently) sabotaging lab equipment used for animal vivisection, going undercover to videotape animal abuse at factory farms and slaughterhouses, or the Sea Shepherds' harassing Whaling ships, are not wrong but morally desirable actions.

But our omnivore society's laws disagree, for now.

Absurdly, the US Goverment labels such animal activists (along with environmentalist groups) as 'terrorists.'

What a joke equating someone who lives to prevent cruelty and terror with a Fundamentalist monster who lives to inflict cruelty and terror. Pretty ironic...

joelbny, VeggieViews 5 Comments [12/6/2017 2:42:51 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134913

Vigilantism is the only way to take back the west. Destroy all muslim property over and over and over and over until all muslims are bankrupted and leave the country or start a war where we will wipe them all out.

llla, Bare Naked Islam 12 Comments [12/6/2017 2:41:41 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134912

Vote no to mus slums with your wallets. Never buy or sell anything to or from a mus slum. Good to see that France is finally getting it that is slam is the problem. I fear it is too little too late. However every little bit helps.

cat, Bare Naked Islam 8 Comments [12/6/2017 2:41:28 PM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134905

(This fundie is talking about the ALF, a terrorist animal right's group that burns down homes and threatens researchers)

I wouldn't say they are the "ultimate vegans", but they are heroes and the only reason people call them terrorists is because these freedom fighters are actually doing something to save innocent lives.

{deleted account}, r/vegan 5 Comments [12/6/2017 2:40:38 PM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134904

Several thousand minks that vandals freed from a central Minnesota farm have been recovered, but “the vast majority” of those died soon after recovery, authorities said Tuesday. Under cover of darkness late Sunday or early Monday, perpetrators invaded Lang Farms near Eden Valley and set loose about 38,000 fur-bearing minks valued at more than $750,000. Stearns County Sheriff Don Gudmundson said he’s convinced that animal rights militants are responsible for the crime.

As of midafternoon Tuesday, the farm’s recovery effort has collected 5,500 of the minks, said chief sheriff’s deputy Jon Lentz. “The vast majority are expiring shortly after being recovered,” Lentz said. “It may be due to stress, but the owners are not certain.”

Michael Whelan, executive director of the fur-raising industry association Fur Commission USA, said Tuesday afternoon that “mink ranchers from around the Midwest continue to arrive to assist in the recovery efforts.” “As domesticated livestock,” Whelan said, minks “are not equipped to live outside the farm environment, where they are fed, watered and cared for daily.”

Lentz said no one has contacted the Sheriff’s Office claiming responsibility. He said his agency continues to cooperate with state and federal authorities in the investigation. Gudmundson has classified the suspects as “nitwits” for thinking they were doing the minks a favor by carrying out a deed that has ended up killing them by the thousands. Whelan concurred, saying, “Anyone who thinks they are helping animals by doing this are severely misinformed.”

Along with the risk of the minks biting humans, Gudmundson said there is concern for wildlife that come into contact with any minks still on the loose. The animals are capable of traveling many miles. The vandalism falls under the Federal Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, said Whelan, adding that his group is offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible. The vandals targeted a farm run by the Lang family, which has been raising minks since 1936, spanning four generations.

Lang Farms asks that anyone who spots the minks call the operation at 1-320-453-4750 so its personnel can try to capture them. Anyone with information about the minks’ release is urged to call the Sheriff’s Office at 1-320-251-4240 or Tri-County CrimeStoppers at 1-800-225-1301. In October 2013, animal rights radicals set loose hundreds of minks from a southeastern Minnesota ranch in Grand Meadow.

Minnesota ranks among the top states in mink production year in and year out. Last year, there were 204,580 pelts produced in the state, ranking it No. 5 in the United States, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Leading the way by a large margin is Wisconsin, which last year produced 1.2 million of the nation’s yield of 3.2 million pelts, the federal agency reported.

Unknown extremists, StarTribune  3 Comments [12/6/2017 2:40:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134902

At present, reports indicate that some 400000 migrants are bottled up in Libya and that the detention centers holding these people have been overrun with robbery, rape and murder. Oddly enough, the mainstream media which insists on our tolerance towards hoards of "peaceful" African migrants pouring into Europe now admits that many of these people are in fact murderers and rapists.

Squatting Slav TV, Youtube 5 Comments [12/6/2017 12:22:31 PM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 134901

I don't appreciate your subtle attempt to make the Alt-Right synonymous with neo-Nazism. Neo-Nazis make the argument that non-Whites served in the German war effort during WWII. The Alt-Right rarely ever talks about that topic.
As to the talking point that we do actually make quite often about our support for nationalism for all people; well, for starters we do actually support that. But contrary to your claim, we aren't really trying to appeal to non-Whites when we make that argument. Who we're really appealing to with that argument is blue-pilled White people who we're trying to gradually red-pill.
But as to your overall point that it's bizarre for us to appeal to non-Whites; I pretty much agree. I've never understood why so many White Nationalists throughout history have tried to form alliances with black nationalists and the like. It never went anywhere or accomplished anything of note - besides maybe the creation of Liberia.
Whites are a very self-reliant, highly organized, and competent race. We've never needed the aid of outsiders in order to create highly successful nations and empires all across this planet, or ideological movements for that matter. That's why attempts to create alliances with non-Whites strikes me as being inherently alien to our people. We dominated other races and dictated their actions whether they liked it or not.
And while I'm not exactly advocating that we go back to that era of world domination and militant White Supremacy, I do think that our efforts to uncuck our race and stand up for ourselves again should be an entirely self-contained movement. Why should non-Whites have a say in whether or not Whites should comprise a majority of the population in White countries? It's not their decision. Just like it's not the decision of non-Asians to decide if China or Japan should remain majority Asian.
And the entire idea that a large number of non-Whites would want to work with us in achieving these goals strikes me as being completely delusional. Non-Whites can smell the weakness in modern Whites from a mile away. They know that we've been turned into a bunch of pathologically self-loathing cucks by liberal ideology. They're perfectly happy with the rainbow coalition keeping a boot on our necks as they flood into our countries and leech off of our success. They like the idea of Whites becoming minorities in their own countries and gradually getting blended out of existence. That's because they're still butthurt over the colonial era.
And why would non-Whites risk getting dominated by a self-confident White race again by giving us a helping hand when what they really want to do is take advantage of this window of White weakness and grind our head into the mud even deeper so that we can never recover?
This is our struggle and our responsibility. We can't look to non-Whites to save us from ourselves.

CertifiedRabbi, Reddit 13 Comments [12/6/2017 12:22:16 PM]
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Quote# 134900

I've been red-pilled about IQ since I was 14 and I just turned 30. So I've been following this particular topic for about 16 years now. I've also been an IQ evangelist for about 9 years now. I was the anonymous asshole in the comment section talking about racial differences in IQ scores.
I've been banned from hundreds of websites, forums, and subreddits for writing about this ugly aspect of science. I felt like a crazy person that was shouting complete nonsense into the wind because almost everyone would automatically dismiss my views. I also felt like I was getting absolutely nowhere and was completely wasting my time and energy on trying to normalize a scientific finding that the masses would never accept.
I was also keenly aware of the tiny number of brave scientists and academics from previous generations who had spent their entire lives trying to normalize the idea that some races were inherently more intelligent than others and had paid the price for committing that heresy by being socially ostracized. It was even more discouraging when you realized that these men were giants in their fields (Eysenck is the most cited psychologist in history), and yet almost nobody would listen to them. They had essentially wasted and ruined their lives because they dared to acknowledge what the data was telling us about racial differences in intelligence. So, if they couldn't get anywhere, then what chance do I have?
Yet, like a true religious zealot, I kept spreading the race realism Gospel wherever I could. That's the power of knowing that you're right and knowing that you've uncovered the key to understanding human inequality. You just can't help trying to spread ideas that you know in your bones are correct and extremely important.
After years of depressing online activism, I finally started to notice an uptick in people talking about this issue over the last fews years. I started to see a very small but growing number of people acknowledging racial IQ differences in the comment sections of right-wing blogs. And, like you said, in the last couple of years I've noticed a huge increase in people talking about this issue. It's rare now to read a news article or social media post about race where someone doesn't bring up racial IQ differences in the comment section.
After we red-pilled Sam Harris on this issue, I knew that we were on the verge of entering the mainstream and that our eventual victory was inevitable. After all, he's a modern liberal icon and a Jew. If anyone should be biased on this issue, then it should be him. That we won him over is proof that the data really is on our side and that the common argument that racial IQ differences is "thoroughly debunked pseudoscience" was a dishonest talking point that was concocted in order to combat the reemergence of scientific racism.
We IQ evangelists are on the ascendance, and our momentum is on the verge of receiving a massive boost now that the cost of human genome sequencing has plummeted. We've already discovered some of the genes and alleles that are linked to intelligence. And we've already discovered that these genes and alleles aren't evenly distributed across racial groups and largely mirror the racial IQ differences that we've known for decades.
The case for racial differences in intelligence being quite real and largely genetically caused is only going to get stronger and stronger as we discover more and more of these genes and alleles. 10 years from now, anyone that denies racial differences in intelligence will be viewed in much the same way that young Earth creationists are viewed now: willfully ignorant and delusional ideologues that are rejecting science because it debunks their mostly deeply held beliefs.
Who knows how the left and the world in general will react to this paradigm shift. Will the masses become race realists and more open to the rest of our ideas? Will the ranks of the pro-White movement increase dramatically now that they know that science is on their side? Or will the scientific and academic community and the media continue to ruthlessly crack down on race realists and continue to pump out egalitarian propaganda to a receptive public? Or will the left evolve by arguing that precision gene editing and embryo selection has made these racial IQ differences irrelevant? Only time will tell.
I'm not as optimistic as you are, but that's probably because I'm pessimistic by nature.

CertifiedRabbi, Reddit 10 Comments [12/6/2017 12:21:56 PM]
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Quote# 134899

(a comment on an article titled, "Will 'nones' make America more liberal?")

Hopefully not! But, with the constant indoctrination in schools and colleges by rabid left wing anti USA socialists what else would you expect?

zeke, Newberry Observer 4 Comments [12/6/2017 12:21:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 134894

David J Stewart is a prophet from God please listen to him I beg you some things he says are true. Trust Jesus as your savior because we are all sinners and God loves you.
Bless you all!
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. Jude 24-25

Lauren, FSTDT comments 21 Comments [12/6/2017 2:12:46 AM]
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Quote# 134892

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Donut Shop Faces Alt-Left Fury for Helping Christmas Charity"

So, the alt-left would rather a family in need go without? Only the wicked would want that.

(Todd Starnes story follows: https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/donut-shop-faces-leftist-fury-for-helping-christmas-charity/)

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 18 Comments [12/6/2017 2:12:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 134891

Replying to @vanOnselenP

48% is not a Majority. A Postal Survey Rort with Fraud isnt a Plebiscite. No Deal. #auspol #politas



Marriage Reality, Twitter 17 Comments [12/6/2017 2:11:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 134890

I recently watched a video posted by a YouTuber by the username of “Truth96130,” that is basically telling people Hell is not real and that it is a lie of the Devil that works for his benefit. Yes, seriously, Truth96130 really believes this. In the video a renowned and once respected Pastor by the name of “Carlton Pearson” claimed that God told him Hell is not real. I watched the entire video and gave it the complete chance to convince me that his claim was true. What it did convince me of is what the Bible had already warned me about, thanks to Jesus. I will demonstrate to you, the reader, with Bible verses that you can go look up yourself (not my philosophy), and the words of Jesus himself, how this claim is a full-fledged doctrine of demons.
“Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.” (NLT, 1 Timothy 4:1)

This verse by itself should be sufficient evidence for anyone to see that the “Hell doesn’t exist claim” is a trick of the devil to deceive those who are not strong with the Holy Spirit. The Bible warns us of false doctrines, false Prophets, and false Messiah’s. Did Pastor Carlton test the spirits? Did he pray on it and ask God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit for confirmation? I don’t think so, and neither did Truth96130. The devil is known for offering people things (sinful things) for instant gratification and happiness. God on the other hand is always patient and long-suffering, doing things at the right place and time. There is usually a lesson learned through a journey before you receive something from the Lord.
“Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.” (NLT, 1 John 4:1)

Then you have Jesus telling you himself about hell, are the words of Jesus not sufficient? Truth96130 gave no credit to what Jesus said, and said that Jesus spoke in parables which are not historical events. So only the historical things that Jesus spoke about have value and not parables? Are you kidding me? Jesus was teaching lessons about Heaven and Hell, why would it need to be something that happened? Besides, hypothetically it was happening, people were going to Heaven and Hell after death.
It’s these type of people who cherry pick and choose what is convenient to fit their lifestyles, so that they can continue to do what they know is sinful and not feel convicted of it. They are only tricking themselves, but the worst part is they are trying to take others with them! (See Figure 1)
“So ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.” (NLT, Matthew 15:14)

I refuse to let that happen, God ordered us to be the salt & light of the world.
“You are the salt of the earth. But what good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you make it salty again? It will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless. “You are the light of the world—like a city on a hilltop that cannot be hidden. No one lights a lamp and then puts it under a basket. Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see, so that everyone will praise your heavenly Father.” (NLT, Matthew 5:13-16)

Here is another lesson about Heaven and Hell from Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
“Jesus also told them other parables. He said, “The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a king who prepared a great wedding feast for his son. When the banquet was ready, he sent his servants to notify those who were invited. But they all refused to come! “So he sent other servants to tell them, ‘The feast has been prepared. The bulls and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the banquet!’ But the guests he had invited ignored them and went their own way, one to his farm, another to his business. Others seized his messengers and insulted them and killed them. “The king was furious, and he sent out his army to destroy the murderers and burn their town. And he said to his servants, ‘the wedding feast is ready, and the guests I invited aren’t worthy of the honor. Now go out to the street corners and invite everyone you see.’ So the servants brought in everyone they could find, good and bad alike, and the banquet hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to meet the guests, he noticed a man who wasn’t wearing the proper clothes for a wedding. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how is it that you are here without wedding clothes?’ But the man had no reply. Then the king said to his aides, ‘Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ “For many are called, but few are chosen.” (NLT, Matthew 22:1-14)

Straight from the mouth of Jesus! This teaching illustrates how God sends his messengers and prophets to invite us to be saved, and to accept his Son, Jesus. We are constantly being invited to Heaven. The Bible is always referring to us (The Church) as the body of Christ and the bride of Christ, which is why this parable is about a wedding banquet for the King’s Son. The King being (God), the Son being (Jesus), the servants being (The Angels, Prophets, and Messengers), and the banquet representing (Heaven). I will let you guess who the invitees are.
Pay attention to the keywords, the servants were sent to notify “those who were invited.” This means not everyone is invited, so where do the uninvited go? I’m pretty sure they go to Hell. Let’s not forget “For many are called, but few are chosen,” that pretty much proves that some are chosen and some are not; meaning, some will go to Heaven and some will not.
Let’s continue on, the initially invited (The Israelites) rejected Jesus as the Messiah, some (The Pharisees) went as far as to kill him. From the beginning of the Bible all the way up to revelations, everyone that God has sent to warn humanity (His Prophets & Messengers) has been murdered or rejected all the way up to Jesus Christ and beyond. That covers the portion of parable talking about the invitees rejecting the invitation and some going as far as to murder the servants. Well, what about the King sending an army to destroy and burn their town?
I am glad you asked, throughout the Bible God turns his back on his people (The Israelites) when they reject him and rebel against him by doing such things as worshiping idols, breaking the commandments, and basically breaking their covenant with him. God removes his protection from them and even goes as far as to send other nations to attack them, as he did with King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. (The destruction and burning of the town also represents the end times in revelations). Of course, he was merciful and gave his people ample time to turn away from their sins and repent.
Moving on, the king sending his servants to invite everyone good and bad represents how the sacrificial death of Jesus enables everyone to be able to go to Heaven, without having to perfectly follow the Law of Moses. God knew we wouldn’t be able to do it. The Law of Moses was nothing more than just a long-term lesson to show us that even when facing the penalty of death and similar penalties, we would still break the law. He basically showed us that Humanity cannot govern itself without the help of God. We would need more than Laws, we would need a change of heart, and we would need the Holy Spirit.
Finally, the man not properly dressed illustrates how those that accept Jesus Christ (The Invitation), but continue to live in constant Sin, can lose their salvation. Just because you accept Christ does not mean you are guaranteed to go to Heaven, it’s only the start of your salvation. The Bible doesn’t say to run the race and fight the good fight for nothing. Now, Outer darkness, weeping, gnashing of the teeth, does that sound like Heaven to you? I think Jesus was speaking in a gentle fashion instead of being blunt and giving it to us straight; however, there is scripture which is not so nice, and for a good reason.
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” (NLT, Matthew 25:46)

Eternal means nonstop, no breaks, forever, everlasting. Some people try to claim it’s just the second death, meaning you don’t get eternal life, but clearly the scriptures say different. You get eternal life, but it’s not the type of eternal life anyone would ever want. This is why God designed this life to be experienced in time. Things in time begin and end. This teaches us what eternity is. That is how just and fair God is.
“They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power.” (NLT, 2 Thessalonians 1:9)

If there is no Hell, how can sinners be punished in eternal destruction or separated from the Lord? Where will they go if they can’t go into Heaven?
“Throwing the wicked into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (NLT, Matthew 13:50)

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.” (NLT, Mark 9:43)

“But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the Day of Judgment.” (NLT, 2 Peter 2:1-4)

That last verse is just blatantly clear that we will all pay for our sins, and that Hell exist, period! It is true that you can pay for your sins on Earth, but only to a certain extent. God knows that we will not be ultimately perfect without sin,
“Not a single person on earth is always good and never sins.” (NLT, Ecclesiastes 7:20)

“As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous–not even one.” (NLT, Romans 3:10)

But this does not give you the green light to do whatever you want to. God’s mercy, grace, and forgiveness are determined and given accordingly. God knows when you are trying not to sin, compared to when you really don’t care and are trying to fall through the cracks. We should strive to have as little sin as possible, remember God knows what is in our hearts. He can see if your desire is not to sin, but you fall to it not by deliberate will, but by the evil we all inherited from Adam & Eve, there is a difference.

The devil knows this, which is why he uses clever lies to deceive people. Of course he will tell us that our sins are forgiven through Christ, so it doesn’t matter what we do once we accept Jesus, and OH’ yeah by the way, Hell doesn’t exist. That is not what the true Word of God tells us. The “There is no Hell” claim is a doctrine of demons, there is no doubt about it. If Hell isn’t real then why did Jesus go down to Hell for three days to console the spirits that were imprisoned there?

“Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit. So he went and preached to the spirits in prison, those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.” (NLT, 1 Peter 3:18-20)

Truth96130 claimed that I am confusing the time of this verse. The verse above clearly states that Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison (Hell) that disobeyed God during the time of Noah, basically all the people who died in the great flood; which by the way, is historically recorded in every culture around the world. If there is no Hell and I am confusing this verse, which I am obviously not, then why didn’t these same spirits go directly to Heaven? Why does the Bible say they are in prison? Why doesn’t the Bible simply say, “Jesus swung by the Prison (Hell) to bail these Spirits out?” Now let’s say there is no Hell, why are these Spirits in prison? What is this prison?
If you go back to (NLT, 2 Peter 2:1-4) which I mentioned earlier, you will see “For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the Day of Judgment.” Key sentence “where they are being held,” doesn’t that coincide perfectly with the spirits in prison! You know, prison, jail, being held captive, I don’t know about you, but it sure makes sense to me. This is the perfect example of scripture backing up scripture. As the saying goes “the writing is on the wall,” and let’s not forget about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. (See Figure 2)
And his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side. (NLT, Luke 16:23)

When I mentioned this to Truth96130 his response was, “well that’s just a parable, and it’s not a historical event.” That statement does not in no way, shape, or form prove that Hell is not real, in fact it diverts from the fact that Jesus used a parable to teach a lesson about Hell. Keyword, “lesson,” Let’s look at the definition of the word parable.

Parable –
A short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
A statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.
Well there you go, a parable is designed to teach a lesson of truth. Just because it’s not a historical event does not mean it is not true. I recommend reading the entire chapter of Luke 16. All words out of the mouth of Jesus, let me remind you. Over and over again in the Bible Hell is spoken about, illustrated, and re-cautioned to those that would believe, keyword believe. The Devil would love for people to not believe in Hell, that way people would just live how they feel and do what they want without having to worry about the repercussions.
Finally, Pastor Carlton and Truth96130 argue that God is love and he wouldn’t do these things to us. I mean how could an all loving merciful God send his people to eternal torture, right? Well once again, directly from Bible verses and not my philosophy, I will show you how God is justified in everything he does. He is the genuine holder of truth, he sets the standards, and he uses fair scales, weights, and balances. We would like to believe we know more than God, we would like to believe our ways are just, we would like to believe we can replace his laws with our own, but the truth is God is the Creator and we are the created. God set the laws of the universe, not us. Who are we but mere mortals.
“For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” (NLT, Isaiah 55:9)

Do we really expect to have the same mental capacity as the entity that created us and the Universe? Seriously? If that were the case then why would we even need God at all? We would be just like him, which is the exact claim the devil made before he was found with sin and casted out of Heaven. The devil claimed he would be like the most high.
“I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.” (NLT, Isaiah 14:14)

The created cannot expect to comprehend and know as the creator.
“How foolish can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay! Should the created thing say of the one who made it, “He didn’t make me”? Does a jar ever say, “The potter who made me is stupid”?” (NLT, Isaiah 29:16)

Furthermore, as I tried to understand why God would send people to Hell for not meeting his qualifications, I learned some important truths. God has a standard, the one and only true balance of justice, and he will not break it for anyone. He will not be a hypocrite and break his word. Anyone who breaks the law is subject to the consequences, even the Angels.
Example of Truth: Anyone that is truly honest with pure integrity would understand that it is justified for their child to go to prison for murdering someone. Only hypocrites and people without standards would argue different.

People that go to Hell choose to go to Hell. People that go to Heaven choose to go to Heaven. (See Figure 3) God did not make us robots, he gave us self-awareness. I ask the reader, what has more value? A living being that was programmed to be righteous, or one that wasn’t but chose to be and now is? (Causality) There is a reason for everything, which is not just a “saying.” You might not agree with the reason, but who are we to tell God what is and is not fair. I am 100% sure if Jesus Christ disobeyed God, God would have sent him to Hell too.

Another misconception is that it doesn’t bother God to send people to Hell. That is a lie of the devil. The same way it hurts parents to discipline their children with the rod, it devastates our Father to sentence us (his children) to Hell. God does not enjoy this which is why he sacrificed his only Son.
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” (NLT, John 3:16)

“The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.” (NLT, 2 Peter 3:9)

There is no excuse, we are warned and given a lifetime to get it right.
Then comes the question? We’ll if God is all loving and merciful then why does he let such suffering happen on Earth? That one is easy. There is suffering on Earth because we have free will to do what we want to, and some of us want to continue to do evil things. Some of us want to follow the devil instead of God. Some of us love sin more than we love our creator.
“And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.” (NLT, John 3:19)

People judge God and they never even get to know him. We’ll what about the good people who have bad things happen to them? Why doesn’t God protect them? First of all, what good people? We are all born evil.
“For I was born a sinner–yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.” (NLT, Psalm 51:5)

We inherited evil from Adam & Eve. We have to be taught to be good. We have the knowledge of good and evil, but without the help of God we will always favor evil. We are self-serving and self-gratifying.
“For they loved human praise more than the praise of God.” (NLT, John 12:43)

Also, remember we are not just facing people with free will that choose to be evil. We are facing our adversary the devil, and we are also facing spiritual battles in the unseen world around us.
“We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.” (NLT, 1 John 5:19)

“Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.” (NLT 1 Peter 5:8)

“For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.” (NLT, Ephesians 6:12)

And that my brother’s and sister’s is why there is pain and suffering in the world. Jesus made it very clear that we will suffer in this world, so why not suffer for him instead? Why not suffer to make it to the pearly gates?
“And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.” (NLT, Matthew 10:22)

“Students are not greater than their teacher, and slaves are not greater than their master. Students are to be like their teacher, and slaves are to be like their master. And since I, the master of the household, have been called the prince of demons, the members of my household will be called by even worse names! (NLT, Matthew 10:24-25)

“Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” (NLT, 2 Timothy 3:12)

Jesus did not promise life without problems once you start following him. He tells no lies and gives it to us straight. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not about infinite happiness in this life, but it is about trials and tribulations leading to infinite happiness in the afterlife. Jesus never said we had to be perfect, nor does the Bible. The Bible tells us to turn away from Evil, stride to change; and most importantly, to ask God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to help us do it. We are incapable of doing it on our own. So make no mistake of misunderstanding that only perfect people make it to Heaven, which is another lie of the devil. Name one person in the Bible, besides Jesus, that didn’t sin. You can’t do it. Do not try to earn your salvation, instead embrace it. Salvation is a gift from God, it is meant to be received and maintained.
“Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.” (NLT, Ephesians 2:9)

Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who sacrificed himself on the cross so that we can be forgiven for our sins, become reborn and move forward from there, and know that hell is a real place. Fear the Lord of Heaven’s armies and respect who he is.
“Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.” (NLT, Proverbs 1:7)

“Fear of the LORD is the foundation of wisdom. Knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgment.” (NLT, Proverbs 9:10)

God can take our mistakes and help us correct them, he can help anyone, anywhere, anytime get back on the course he designed for them. It is never too late to turn to God through Jesus Christ. Simply lift your hands up to God and repeat “Jesus I repent of my sins and I accept you as my Lord and savior, Amen.” Then seek the kingdom first, read the Bible, continue to pray, and always talk to Jesus looking for guidance and answers, and remember we have the Holy Spirit to help us through it all.

“But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative–that is, the Holy Spirit–he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.” (NLT, John 14:26)

“Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.” (NLT, Matthew 6:33)

I encourage all my readers to fact check me, go look for yourself and make sure that I am not misleading you. Make sure that I am speaking from the lessons of the word of God and not from my own philosophy. Make sure that I am not twisting the word of God. I also invite my readers to comment and share your opinions down below in the comment section. May the Lord of Heaven’s Armies Bless you all!

I am currently reading and quoting from the New Living Translation version of the Bible.

Dennis Lopez, Dennis Lopez 9 Comments [12/6/2017 2:11:34 AM]
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