Quote# 123166

Saudi Arabia is launching a programme to “inoculate” children against Westernisation, atheism, liberalism and secularism.

They were listed as threats to “ideological security”, ahead of the danger from extremist groups including Isis and al-Qaeda and sectarianism.

Saudi Arabian Government, The Independent 9 Comments [12/23/2016 2:24:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 123180

Let us be clear: HB2 cannot be compared to the injustice of Jim Crow. In fact, it is insulting to liken African Americans’ continuing struggle for equality in America to the liberals’ attempt to alter society’s accepted norms.

Recently, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch compared HB2 to Jim Crow. Jim Crow laws were put into place to keep an entire race positioned as second-class citizens. HB2 simply says that men and women should use the restroom of their biological sex in government buildings and schools. This comparison is highly offensive and utterly disrespectful to those families and individuals who have shed blood and lost lives to advance the cause of civil rights. I take this as a personal slap in the face because I was an active participant in the civil rights movement.

In 1960, I participated in the sit-in at the Woolworth Diner in Greensboro. As a student attending North Carolina A&T University, I experienced the cruel, vicious reality of segregation first hand.

During the Jim Crow Era, we stared down the nozzle of firehoses, felt the piercing bite of police dogs, dangled from trees after being strung up by an angry mob, all because of the color of our skin. Our businesses were burned, churches bombed, communities destroyed, all because of the color of our skin. We had to drink at separate water fountains, shop at different stores and even had to sit at the back of the bus, all because of the color of our skin. All this and more took place after enduring 400 years of arguably the most heinous crime in history – slavery.

In comparison, transgender individuals do not have to fight dogs, can shop anywhere and can use any water fountain. They are free to work, shop and ride the bus. And to my knowledge, they have not experienced 400 years of slavery and the ongoing fight for parity 151 years after emancipation.

It is a further insult that the left chooses to ignore the continued absence of African Americans at the top levels of corporate America including the companies that took a public stand against HB2. Look at their boards of directors and executive teams. Where are the African Americans? Women? Transgender people? To them, I say fix these problems in your own house.

Loretta Lynch’s political pandering to arouse African American interest in what has been proven to be lukewarm support for the supposed Democratic presidential candidate is an obvious attempt to elicit an emotional response. You cannot pimp the civil rights movement.

Throughout my life, I have noticed that even smart people say dumb things. And you, Ms. Lynch, have once again proven me right. Well done.

Clarence Henderson, Charlotte Observer 17 Comments [12/21/2016 10:10:09 PM]
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Quote# 123178

Creationist Ken Ham has set up a colorful light display around his massive Ark Encounter museum this year — but he’s not doing it just to spread Christmas cheer.

Via Patheos, it seems that Ham views his light display as a perfect way to thumb his nose at the LGBT community, as he believes such displays are key to “taking back” the rainbow from gay people and reclaiming it as a symbol of Christian faith.

“In recent times the rainbow (albeit with some different colors) has come to represent something far different,” Ham explains in his blog Answers in Genesis. “To many people it means freedom, love, pride, a new era, and, specifically, the LGBTQ movement.”

This doesn’t sit well with Ham, who maintains that “the rainbow stands as a poignant reminder that God keeps His promises” and hasn’t yet drowned the world for a second time with a massive global flood. Thus, Ham says the rainbow must be re-appropriated as a matter of Christian duty.

“Sadly, people ignore what God intended the rainbow to represent and proudly wave rainbow-colored flags in defiance of God’s command and design for marriage,” writes Ham. “Because of this, many Christians shy away from using the rainbow colors. But the rainbow was a symbol of God’s promises before the LGBTQ movement — and will continue to be after that movement has ended.”

Ken Ham, Raw Story 42 Comments [12/21/2016 10:09:32 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 123162

Extremist anti-LGBT activist Theodore Shoebat is not happy with the latest edition of National Geographic, which features a cover story on a nine-year-old transgender child, and he is calling for the editors and publishers of the magazine to be burned at the stake.

In a video posted on his website yesterday, Shoebat ranted that the young girl is “diabolical and evil” and a “little Nazi Hitler” who wants nothing more than to kill Christians in gas chambers.

“The kid is obviously evil, obviously a reprobate, obviously just diabolical,” Shoebat bellowed. “You’re a freak. You’re a little demon. You’re a little Nazi Hitler … This little freak would not mind sticking people like me in a gas chamber.”

“This is sick shit,” Shoebat continued, “and this is the problem that I have with the First Amendment, the freedom to do whatever you want. In the Catholic Church, the whole damn crew behind National Geographic would be tried and once they are found guilty, they would be burned at the stake.”

Theodore Shoebat, Right Wing Watch 52 Comments [12/21/2016 10:04:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Kuyohashi

Quote# 123159

If your rejection of theism involves attacking that theism then you are a counter theism...which is a theism in itself. To try and detach yourself from it is little dishonest.

You are saying I don't believe in God so no one else must...you have made yourselves gods...and worse than that...you are trawling through every avenue open to you toget your patronage from...building your on converts to the adherence of the thinking of your high priest...hmmm I can't see much difference whatever you callit...except that I,like millions before me find an awful lot of truth in the pain, suffering and teaching of Jesus Christ...not forgetting that he showed how you and I can achieve resurrection if we abandon false gods...like yours.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 16 Comments [12/21/2016 10:03:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 123158

The plain truth is women are meant to be dominated by males, and if a woman wears provocative clothing, if she does not behave in a modest manner, then if a male desires her, then a male may in fact rape her to take what he wishes from her. This doesn’t mean her family cannot exact revenge on the rapist if they have the strength to do so, but if they do not, then the family and the woman simply has to accept the fact that a man chose to lay with her, she could not stop him, and to just get over it. It is just SEX. It is not perverted. It is just sex and through the centuries women have had to deal with the real danger of being raped; this is NOT a new concept.

Navigator, Yahoo! Answers 22 Comments [12/21/2016 10:03:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 123157


Because you do not know the reason something exists does not deny the fact it does exist.
Unicorns are mythology because we have never seen them but the fact is that the knowledge of them, are a reason to believe they once existed even though we cannot prove it. Why you want to use the term mythology when it is a fact Christ existed I am unaware.

Sassy, Religion and Ethics 22 Comments [12/21/2016 10:03:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 123143

If there is no God,then there can be no objective standards of right and wrong .
Without God, moral values are either,
1)Expressions of personal taste,or
2)The by-products of socio-biological evolution and conditioning .
In a world without God,who is to say which values and right and which are wrong??
Who is to judge that the values of Adolf Hitler are inferior to those of a Saint?
The concept of morality loses all meaning in a universe without God……..
“To say that something is wrong because…it is forbidden by God(is)…. Perfectly understandable to anyone who believes in a law-giving God.But to say something is wrong …even though no God exists to forbid it,is not understandable….
The concept of moral obligation is unintelligible apart from the idea of God.The words remain but their meaning is gone.In a world without God,there can Brno objective right and wrong,only our culturally and personally relative,subjective judgements.This means it is impossible to condemn war,oppression,or crime as evil.Nor can one praise brotherhood,equality and love as good.Without God,good and evil do not exist-there is only the bare valueless fact of existence,and there is no one to say you are right or I am wrong.

billpuntonsghost, Iron-Bru 23 Comments [12/21/2016 9:58:18 AM]
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Quote# 123141

The reason why God commands men and women to love in different ways is because a man by nature has physical affection toward a woman, but women do not toward men. That is, men are aroused by sight, but not women. A woman has to make herself be affectionate toward her husband even when she doesn't feel it. The feelings follow afterward.

Likewise, women naturally love their husbands, not for who he is, but for who she is; but men by nature love a wife for who she is. So a man has to force himself to love his own wife as God commands him to, loving her based upon the principles of God's Word and God's love.

A wise wife will be affectionate toward her husband. One of the major causes of divorce is romance problems, because the wife isn't interested in physical relations, won't work at it and doesn't care. It is sad to think that prostitute will give her all sexually, holding nothing back for a complete stranger who pays her; whereas a man's wife denies him the same affection when he faithfully goes to work day-by-day to provide a roof over her head, food on her table and shoes on her feet, et cetera. A husband needs and deserves an affectionate wife!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 31 Comments [12/21/2016 9:57:54 AM]
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Quote# 123140

Don't give up. The Feminists and the Conservadads (portmanteau of "conservative" and "dad") are not even two sides of the same coin, but really the same side of the same coin. They are indistinguishable in all but name when it comes to the topic of "child" (that is, older than 11) sexuality. Feminists are self-interested manipulators of the male protectionist instinct, and their Conservadad counterparts are males whose protectionist instinct, the instinct to protect "women and children", has been turned against the healthy (hetero-)sexuality of young people, that is: against the naturally-occurring sexual attractions, and the sexual relations ensuing from those naturally-occurring sexual attractions, between any males regardless of age and any females who are "young", the usual case being that the male is "older" (16-22) and the female is "younger" (12-15).

The issue is, frankly, one of imagination. The Conservadads have a constrained imaginative ability, so they can't even imagine that it's possible for a 12 year old "girl" to sexually desire a 18 year old male, and to relish in every millisecond of a healthy sexual relationship with such a man. They think that forcing young people to be sexually frustrated and to masturbate in loneliness for years is better than to allow them to explore their sexual appetite and be empowered by it. That's because they think sex itself is inherently "sinful" and unhealthy. These people are clueless and have the arrogant audacity to claim the "moral high ground" even as their anti-natural ideology brings nothing but pain and frustration to innocent people.

Normies are sheeple.

Anonymous ,  Eivind Berge's Blog 14 Comments [12/21/2016 9:57:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Xavier

Quote# 123139


(E-mail written by a homeopath trying to "cure the oceans". In purple Comic Sans.)

Glace DaSilva-Hill, Quackometer 36 Comments [12/21/2016 9:53:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123138

There is a reason the World Health Organisation is so adamant that the usability of natural and traditional medical systems be studied. The WHO is aware that while our modern health systems are very helpful when it comes to acute illnesses and symptoms, in relation to the treatment of chronic, functional and degenerative disorders, especially in western societies, they are expensive and not very effective. It is questionable whether our western models are practical for the rest of the world at all. Traditional medical systems thus may make a significant contribution. The WHO, through its Beijing Declaration, tasks all governments explicitly to arrange for a scientific permeation and political integration of such traditional medical systems. In our central European cultures that particularly refers to the traditional European natural medicine, homeopathy and anthroposophical medicine, which constitute therapeutic systems in their own right. The integration of e.g. asian systems such as TCM supplement these.

The Institute for Transcultural Health Sciences confronts this task assigned by the WHO, conducts research on questions of complementary medicine, and offers a postgraduate education aimed at medical doctors, pharmacists, therapists and practitioners of other medical professions. (Master of Arts in Cultural Sciences and Complementary Medicine). The aspect of transculturality is integrated in several ways: by transferring ancient therapeutic ways of thinking to the present times, their permeation with modern methods, and by cross-fertilisation of therapeutic approaches between east and west.

Pluralism as a basis for the scientific discourse

Epistemologically, the transcultural sciences intend to promote the encounter of diverse cultural concepts of conveying insight, and seek to review the know-how of all cultures. We are open to different methodological approaches – we deem qualitative research as valuable as quantitative, natural scientific - and to different therapeutic approaches. We consider it to be the main task of science to be open to new questions and to provide insights against error through solid methodology. In that regard we have no a priori discrimination, rather a discrimination that is part of any good science: against dogmatic positions of any origin.

On one hand transcultural sciences represent a consistent pluralism and aim for an equitable scientific discourse between the different scientific cultures. On the other hand “transcultural” not only means a coexistence of different concepts, but also a real cooperation and engagement, a gradual obliteration and finally an annihilation of borders and the development of transcultural common ground.

Institute for Transcultural Health Sciences (IntraG),  Institute for Transcultural Health Sciences (IntraG) 9 Comments [12/21/2016 9:53:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123137

Anti-creationists often ridicule the biblical account of Noah’s Ark, saying it would be impossible to fit all the animals inside it.

For instance, two evolutionists, overlooking creation models, claim: “His ark would have had to find room for something like 1 million species of insect, 25,000 species of bird, 2,500 species of amphibians, 6,000 species of reptiles, and several thousand species of mammals, not to mention cultures of tens of thousands of species of microorganisms, all identified without the aid of a microscope.”1

However, John Woodmorappe refuted such criticisms in his book Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study,2 and estimated there were about 16,000 animals aboard. One important point is that kind is not the modern ‘species’; Woodmorappe’s figures equate the kind with the modern ‘genus’, whereas in many cases it could be the ‘family’ or even the ‘order’. Also, no marine creatures were on board as intentional passengers. The median size of all animals on the Ark would have been that of a small rat, while only about 11% would have been larger than a sheep.

The dimensions given in Genesis 6:15—300 cubits long and 50 cubits wide—can be hard to visualise. Even the smallest cubit3 of 18 inches would result in an Ark 138 m × 23 m × 14 m (450 ft × 75 ft × 45 ft), i.e. a volume of about 44,400 m3 (1.52 million cu. feet).

Now, however, visitors to the beautiful National Trust4 Garden at Trengwainton, near Penzance, Cornwall, UK, can see for themselves just how vast an area that is. The kitchen garden there, surrounded by brick walls, is divided into five sections of equal size. Archives show that it was well known locally that the walled garden was built to the dimensions of Noah’s Ark as stated in the Bible. When the kitchen gardens walls are measured, they do indeed match these dimensions.
Archives show that it was well known locally that the walled garden was built to the dimensions of Noah’s Ark.

The man mainly responsible for shaping this garden in the 1800s was Sir Rose Price. As the 1st Baronet Price of Trengwainton, Sir Rose was the son of a wealthy Jamaican sugar planter. He created the garden in 1814, using brick, a warmer but more expensive material than the local granite. This was no mean feat. A kiln had to be purchased to fire the bricks on site, and two shiploads of materials had to be transported from Somerset—240 km (150 miles) away!5 Inside the walls he built a series of compartments with raised beds, angled to best catch the winter sun. Although similar beds were built in other gardens, those at Trengwainton are believed to be the last remaining of their kind. The raised beds enabled early crops of vegetables.

On discovering the significance of the dimensions of the walled garden, the National Trust erected a wooden viewing platform near the top of one of the walls which enables visitors to view the dimensions and visualise how huge Noah’s Ark really was. Visitors can also wander around and imagine for themselves how many animals could be fitted into such an expanse.

There is no doubt about it—Noah’s Ark was BIG! And don’t forget it had three storeys!

Ruth Ward, Creation Ministries International 26 Comments [12/21/2016 9:52:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123135

'Emergency' need for exorcists after surge in people dabbling in Satanism and black magic

Exorcists are in urgent demand as a result of a sharp rise in people dabbling in Satanism and the occult, experts from the Catholic Church in Italy and the US said.

Speaking in tongues, levitating and vomiting nails may seem far-fetched to most people, but church experts insist there is a need to recruit more priests as exorcists in order to combat sorcery and black magic.

Valter Cascioli, a psychologist and scientific consultant to the International Association of Exorcists, which is endorsed by the Vatican, described as an “emergency” the lack of priests capable of fighting the forces of evil.

“The lack of exorcists is a real emergency. There is a pastoral emergency as a result of a significant increase in the number of diabolical possessions that exorcist priests are confronting,” he told La Stampa newspaper.

“The number of people who take part in occult and satanic practices, which lead to serious physical, psychological and spiritual damages, is constantly rising.”
Catholic priests claim the internet has fuelled an interest in black magic

Dr Cascioli teaches courses in exorcism at the Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum, a Vatican-backed university in Rome. “The number of exorcists has increased in recent years, but there are still not enough to deal with a dramatic situation that affects, above all, young people who use the internet a lot.

“There is a broad spread of superstitious practices, and with that a growing number of requests for help from people who are directly or indirectly struck by evil.

“It is dangerous to underestimate a phenomenon that is caused by the direct actions of the devil, but also by a decline in faith and values.”

He called for the establishment of a permanent training college or university where Catholic priests would be taught how to counter the malign influence of the Devil. “There doesn’t exist a training institution at university level. We need an interdisciplinary approach in which science collaborates with religion, and psychiatrists work with demonologists and exorcists.”

He said it was important not to confuse cases of diabolical possession with psychiatric illnesses. Only one per cent of people who claim to have problems with demons have real need of an exorcist, he said.

Father Ildebrando Di Fulvio, the exorcist for the diocese of Frosinone, a town south of Rome, said people possessed by the devil often vomited metal objects and chunks of undigested food and gibbered in archaic languages such as Aramaic, ancient Greek and Latin.

They demonstrated “violent reactions to prayers of liberation and to holy water,” he said.

On the other side of the Atlantic, two of America’s leading exorcists told The Telegraph that keeping up with demand for exorcisms is a constant struggle.

Father Gary Thomas, whose training in Rome was chronicled in the book The Rite: The Making of a Modern Exorcist, and Father Vincent Lampert, whose work has featured on the television show Paranormal Witness, said demonic possessions were the result of an increase in drug and pornography addiction.

They also pointed to a rise in the popularity of "pagan activities", such as using a Ouija board to summon the dead, the failure of the mental health care system, a spiritual void in the lives of Americans and the diminishing authority of the Church.

“We’re gaining all sorts of knowledge, but there’s still that emptiness within us that is being filled with addictive behaviour such as drugs and pornography,” said Father Lampert, of the Archdiocese of Indianapolis. “The decline in faith goes hand in hand with the rise in evil.”

Father Thomas, the official exorcist of the diocese of San Jose in northern California, trained in Rome in 2005 after being an ordained priest for 22 years. In the past 10 years, he says he has performed 50 to 60 exorcisms. “I am a full-time pastor and this is a very intense ministry. Almost every free night that I have is taken up with exorcisms,” he said.

Catholic Exorcists, The Telegraph 17 Comments [12/21/2016 9:52:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123134

There are numerous accounts by current and former LGBTQ people who state the gay lifestyle is violent, promiscuous and oppressive... much unlike the seductive 'loving' image of same-sex relationships portrayed on television. In these accounts, they say older men and women prey and abuse the younger ones coming into the LGBT lifestyle.

Below, you will find an interview with an EX gay porn actor, where he details what causes homosexuality and the level of sexual abuse involved in the gay lifestyle.

I'm sure you're wondering why I wrote these 'Rainbow Seduction' articles... I wrote these articles because I care about the welfare of our children. I know many parents are too busy living their own lives that they don't understand what's going on.

There are many kids who think they are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, and they really are not. There is no scientific evidence that anyone is born gay... But there is plenty of evidence to suggest that people are programmed to be gay: they were either raped, abused or repetitively watched gay & lesbian sex acts on TV or in movies.

I WANT PARENTS TO UNDERSTAND: the LGBTQ community is VISUALLY molesting our children with gay and lesbian content in order to keep a rolling roster of participants to have fun with. If you remember in the documentary in the article 'Rainbow Seduction' part 1, The Homosexual Agenda, you will have heard a gay man say, "We want to get our rights and then we want to have FUN!"

Young people need to understand that the LGBTQ community pretends to be loving and kind, but they aren't. The media, which THEY control and manipulate deceitfully shows them in the most caring and loving light. But they are VERY far from this. I have shown plenty of video footage in this article and in part 1 of this article, showing the Sodom & Gomorrah debased-lust spirit they operate through.

Parents you must understand that the LGBTQ community knows what they are doing by exposing your child to 'gay sex.' The ultimate goal of the LGBTQ community is to shape society into their image at the expense of yours, at the expense of God's and at the expense of our children.

In closing, I want you to remember how for decades both the American public and legislative leaders argued that there was nothing wrong with Cigarettes. But look, decades later, we are living out the consequences of believing a "popular lie" that was promoted by only people who benefitted from it.

This is the same type of 'popular lie' that exists in the LGBTQ lifestyle. It is damaging to every child, every adult to every family. Hopefully, when people break free from the LGBTQ's seductive grip, there will still be an American society left.

And for any Christians, who promote homosexual sex, shame on you! You know what specifically happens to a person and society because of it. How can you forget the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?

"the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.' Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, 'No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.' 'Get out of our way,' they replied. 'This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.' They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door."

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah was not a cautionary tale, it is a real historical account displaying the way society is becoming and will be once the LGBT community has unlimited rights to have sex with whoever and how ever they please... and once they outnumber heterosexuals, you can expect to live in a climate culture like Sodom and Gomorrah.

I predict in the near future, if we stay this present course, there will be a time where heterosexual men & women will be publicly raped for sport, just like they do in prison and back alleys today.

I'm still amazed that the American Christian Church is attempting to rationalize and make peace with the LGBT community. The bible is pretty clear that there is no way to make peace with anyone that has this level of sexual perversion and disrespect for God; Lot couldn't rationalize with them through their homo-mob-rage, and neither can you.

Please protect your children, and your children's children's children... God bless.

Nya Nya Jo, Eden Decoded 13 Comments [12/21/2016 9:51:16 AM]
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Quote# 123132

Repentance is all about realising that following the world's machinations leads to the opposite of what Jesus taught to us and promised us and so choosing righteousness instead.

There are many benefits to quietly and calmly, sincereley and respectfully taking in the accurate knowledge of Jesus...many of which I have already brought to your attention...that is the collective 'your'. But there are also benefits not so obvious.

Take gravity for example. By repentance we become more spiritually aware and by upbuilding our spiritual strength gravity which bears heavily upon us all becomes less of a dead weight. We can see just how much of a burden it can be when we see many people shuffling around the hypermarket with various combersome difficulties. Now Jesus walked on water so following him...accurately...is a sure fire way of reducing the burden of gravity and will make repentance well worthwhile.


NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 15 Comments [12/21/2016 9:50:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 123130

Wanting to understand anything is a natural part of being human. It is a need like hunger or sex. As children we have great curiosity and need to ask and imitate and learn, which is the means of our survival. I am not questioning that. It can however become addictive...which is another matter.

My point here is different. Never mind soul, spirit, etc. That is a different discussion.

I am only saying that ....if all your Occam's razor and stuff lead to such conclusions as you seem to have arrived at (the self is an emergent property of the car)...then there is something dramatically wrong with the whole system of thinking and analysis.

From the car analogy it is very clear that humans are entirely responsible for the development of cars and also for the functioning of driver less cars. There is really no 'driverless' car. It is driven indirectly through sensors, GPS..whatever, that humans have created. The mechanism of control may be direct or indirect..which is not relevant here.

The point is that. Cars do have a real living thinking Self. It is the human being! Period! There cannot be any doubts or arguments about that.

In spite of this obvious factual situation, you manage to derive from this scenario something like a 'virtual self' and the 'self being the emergent property of the car' and so on and so forth. This raises many doubts about this kind of 'scientific thinking' and its roots in reality. It is a clear instance where 'science' misleads the thinker into perverse concepts that are obviously not real.

This is what I am talking about.

How much of such perverse thinking is prevalent in theories of evolution and other areas, is frightening to imagine.

Taking pot shots at religious concepts does not solve this problem btw.

Sriram, Religion and Ethics 7 Comments [12/21/2016 9:50:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 123123

[ in response to an anti-spirit day stamp ]



I completely agree with you. I've been bullied throughout elementary school and middle school just because I have slight Asperger's. Seriously, how are gays the only people who are victims? What irritates me is that some gays whine and bitch about how "hard" their life is when we all should remember that there's sex trafficking, world hunger, etc. It ticks me off. The bullying has made me a stronger person. I'm not saying bullying is good but I developed thicker skin from it. Just remember that high school doesn't last forever. Sorry for the ranting. Rant over!

animedisneyluver809, deviantart 13 Comments [12/21/2016 9:49:19 AM]
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Quote# 123122


[ I think lgbt does deserve a day. I think that a large majority of gays are bullied, when most people who are short or fat or something probably aren't. I'm not saying we shouldn't support them, but thats what Pink Shirt day is for. Some people are killed for being gay and I think that the idea of revoking a holiday to support them would be a hate full thing to do. I do think that its important to stop bullying, but the group that gets the wort of it in my opinion is gays. Obviously in the US they are still not excepted in a few places. Its not even legal for them to marry in some places, so thats why they deserve a day. They get killed, bullied, fired, shunned, and they can't even marry. Things like that don't happen to someone who got bullied as a child for being fat. Imagine what it would be like if a law was made that prevented fat people from being married.Gays do deserve a day to themselves. You mentioned "religious, female, male, black, white, asian, short, fat, tall, thin". Sense when has anyone been killed for being religious, male, short, fat, thin, tall more than anyone else? People even praised for being all of those. Sure people are racist. But there also also days dedicated to being against racism, so I don't see why gays are any different and can't support that they can live in this country openly, honestly, and in the hope of doing so without punishment.

People who are gay have been tortured, killed, and worse. They have been thought to have been a disease and were forced to go through horrible things like shock therapy.

This day is to support equal rights- something gays don't have. Although there are people against all the other things you mentioned they all have equal rights. Its something gays don't have and something they need in order to make this a fare country. ]

Thousands of people are killed daily and all throughout history people are killed for their religious beliefs. I know several people personally who cannot tell me where they currently are or mention their religion for fear of being arrested and killed. You can look through history or even google some modern deeds for the other cases of such happenings with the other groups. What international holiday is there against racism? Please tell me, I would love to know about this.

That truly isn't any different from the others I have mentioned. There are millions of instances of people getting tortured, killed, etc. Like I said, they aren't special.

They can vote, they can work, they get equal pay, they have a right to arms, they have a right to have whatever religion they want, or lack there of, and to revere it in the way of their choosing, they can burn the flag, they can protest, they have every right.



vexic929, deviantart 4 Comments [12/21/2016 9:49:04 AM]
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Quote# 123121

Disclaimer: These are all my own, personal thoughts. I do believe that they were given to me by God but I acknowledge that I may be wrong in some areas and will gracefully accept that IF IT IS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IN A RESPECTFUL WAY. I do not claim to be a prophet or a preacher or some fancy, famous, decorated scholar—I’m just a 21-year-old Christian with a passing interest in sociology, psychology, and apologetics. I do not think I am holier-than-thou and I do not think any sin is greater than another. All sin is equal; I do not think I am better than you. I don’t know how else I can put that so, please, you have already begun seeing my side; if you find it offensive there is a back button, most likely in the top left corner of your screen—please use it because I will not be changing my opinion no matter how many curse words and insults you throw at me. I acknowledge that I stink at arguing my points so, if you find anything unclear, please feel free to ask for clarification as long as you do so respectfully.

WHY HOMOSEXUALITY BOTH IS AND IS NOT A SIN

“Attraction is not a sin!”
You’re absolutely right. Attraction, in and of itself, is not a sin. Wait—what? Yep, you’re right. Why? Because we, as humans, have the ability to be attracted to either gender to some degree. Think about it; you have friends, right? People you talk to, people you get along with—you find them attractive in some way; perhaps not physically but mentally/emotionally/etcetera, if you didn’t, you wouldn’t be friends. Chances are you have at least one friend—or someone you just get along with—from both genders. We are designed to be attracted to people; we are very social creatures but if we weren’t attracted, we probably wouldn’t give them the time of day (just think of that resident annoyance in your life). Attraction is not just physical—but, of course, you know this I’m sure. Now, we’ve established attraction is not a sin. It is what you do about that attraction that determines whether or not it is a sin.

“What you do? What does that mean?”
Let’s look at that a little further, shall we? “It is what you do about that attraction that determines whether or not it is a sin.” This means that it does not become a sin until you decide to act on it. The moment you decide to pursue that relationship that becomes a sin. Why? Because typically that relationship is pursued with the intent of becoming physical at some point. In cases of heterosexuality, it only becomes a sin if the intent to become physical comes before marriage (yes, this includes during the engagement but that is a whole other animal we are not going to get into today). In the case of homosexuality, it does not matter whether or not this intent is before or after marriage, it is still a sin.

“That’s not fair! Why is it still a sin even if I’m doing it ‘right’?!”
This is a question that comes up a lot and Christians need to be able to answer if they’re going to argue it. I could say “because the Bible says so” and give a list of verses; I could say “because God says so” and leave it at that, but do these explain why? No, not really. So, why? Because it is outside of God’s intent. God has a plan for each of us, most of whom he has included and set apart a specific person for the intent of us to be in a strong, loving, Godly relationship with. Anything outside of that plan is sinful because it is not of God, no matter how good it seems.

“Well, why should I care about God’s intent?”
You may or may not be a Christian, I don’t know, that’s between you and God. There is one thing I do know for sure; anything God has planned for us is 100 times better than we could ever even imagine. Being a Christian is not about blindly agreeing with everything God says and following like good little sheep. We can say “alright, God, I don’t get this, I don’t like this,” as long as we add after, “but I’m going to trust You because I know that what You have for me is better.” That’s what faith is, that’s what being a Christian is. So before you yell and scream at us Christians for being stupid, blindly following, being bigoted, being intolerant; remember that not all of us totally agree with everything God says. I, personally, would be perfectly fine with homosexual relationships if I were not a Christian and didn’t know that God has something better planned for everyone. I just want everyone to live their life to the fullest extent in the happiest way possible; that’s why I want people to find God and turn from their sinful ways—whatever they may be—and follow the better path God has in store for them, because I know it will be so amazing. So, no, I don’t see a reason for it to be a sin; but, yes, it is a sin, and there’s nothing I can do about that but say, “I’m going to trust You, God, because I know You have something so much better and it’s just going to be totally awesome.”

But it's also true that you cannot control attraction, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because the people were participating in homosexual activities. Note that the verse you quoted states "men who practice homosexuality". Lust is wrong no matter who you are lusting after so that is irrelevant. I don't think you understood what I said, I know that homosexual activities are wrong and fantasizing about performing said activities is also wrong just as it would be wrong to kill someone or fantasize about killing someone. There are two definitions of homosexuality--simply being attracted to the same gender which you cannot do anything about and participating in homosexual activities which you can do something about. One is entirely subconscious and the other is a conscious action. You cannot stop yourself from being attracted to someone, it is not possible. I'm really not sure how I can make this any clearer but if you're still confused, please let me know.

Yeah, the thing that hacks me off the most is the radical "you must agree or you're a terrible person" mentality they seem to have nowadays. It's so frustrating because it goes exactly against the freedom of beliefs/religion and speech we have in America--even more so because we're basically letting them act that way. It's pretty dang ridiculous, if you ask me. People are so touchy and easily offended.

In conclusion
Homosexuality—the act of being attracted to someone of the same gender—is not, in and of itself, a sin. Homosexuality—the act of having relations with someone of the same gender—is a sin.

[ ai! ^.^ I have no idea how I found this, but I've read it and the first comments page; frankly, I couldn't help posting my opinions on this. :3 Please don't take it offensively - I just want to make sure it's out there.

Firstly, I totally agree with your first point - homosexuality isn't a sin. However, I serious disagree of your second point.

I understand that you believe practicing Homosexuality is a sin because God said so, but
WHY does he say so?

I cannot actually think of any decent anti-homosexuality reasons myself. In any case, I am a firm believer in freedom of sexuality, within reason. If you're female and fall in love with another female, then what's wrong with that? Is the world going to end? Probably not. Are you going to drop dead? It's unlikely. Will a random person develop, say, cancer simply because you're dating someone of the same sex? I highly doubt it. Besides, the planet's population is rising rapidly and whilst we have no serious problem right now, we will when it doubles. With deforestation, loss of farmland to housing estates and desertification, among other things, then frankly we will run out of resources at some point. Soon. If, say, 5% of the population is gay/lesbian, then that's 5% less kids every year. That's a few years left on the timer. More time to solve the dilemma. Oh, and it means that more of the poor kids in foster homes can have a family. I know how that feels, I was there once.
Besides, if the government was to make homosexuality illegal, then that is a direct breach of the Human Rights.

UN Human Rights;
Article 2 -- Freedom From Discrimination
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex or sexuality, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Putting someone in prison because they love and want to be with someone of the sex? That's just sick. And we're supposed to do this becuase of what it says in a book? There are many opinions from Christians that certain aspects of the bible are outdated. Aren't women supposed to be evil or something? Nowadays, if ANYONE said that in a commonwealth country they'd be called sexist.

Anyway - 'God is omnipotent' to quote practically every Christians I've ever brought this subject up with (I grew up in a religious family/area/school, so there's quite a few). Therefore, if he has an intent for us, then maybe it's for us to be gay?
I am actually an atheist, so the 'God's intent' thing, for me, isn't a valid reason. A good number of my friends are lesbian/gay and are currently dating a person of the same sex. What harm has it done to me? None. What harm is it doing you? None.

(Looking back at this, it looks like a full-out attack. Lol. Sorry about that. >.<)
]

You make some very interesting points and bring up some good questions but I believe I touched on most of them either in the comments or in the actual article (it's not really an article I guess but you know what I mean) but I will respond to a few of them.

Why does He say so? The truth is I don't know, no one does--if they claim to they're probably lying. I just know that He does and that's enough for me and should be enough for any Christian.

Putting someone in prison for homosexuality is ridiculous, the government should not interfere in religious matters and vice-versa. As far as the Bible being outdated, anyone who has told you that is not a Christian even if they claim to be. You cannot be a Christian and not believe the Bible is the Truth, it doesn't work that way. There is no passage that says women are evil or anything like that, I suggest reading the book for yourself even if you have no intention of becoming a Christian. It's quite interesting to see the parallels from the Old and New Testaments and the perfect preservation and lack of contradictions without taking anything out of context, even from a purely historical and analytical standpoint.

His intent would not be for anyone to be gay considering He says homosexual relations are a sin although he may use someone identifying as gay as a challenge or a way for them to have a better witness to other people.

I don't expect anyone who is not a Christian to agree with or follow my beliefs but that doesn't mean that I won't call someone out on something I know is wrong because I don't want them to make a mistake. It's purely about caring about people. I am currently dealing with my younger sister's recent coming out as pansexual and she knows I am on her side even though she also knows I believe she is doing the wrong thing. We have had many discussions on the issue but I still love her and would not wish anything bad on her.

vexic929, deviantart 4 Comments [12/21/2016 9:48:30 AM]
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[ You were bullied for being straight? Yeah, that's totally the same thing. >: Just like LGBT teens that are bullied and ostracized, you had no one to turn to in this society that is so against heterosexuals. You must have felt so isolated in an overwhelming homosexual culture that routinely teaches the younger generations to hate straight people for being born the way they are.

Okay seriously no, LGBT teen suicide is a /very serious/ problem that is steadily getting worse. Even if it focused on one group that is being bullied (and is being bullied /hard/), you don't support an end to the bullying of that group? Do you also get pissy when Black History month rolls around? Do you not support it? I mean, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE LATINOS. They're persecuted too. If we're going to follow your logic that EVERY awareness program must include EVERYONE, we should just make it 'Non white history month'. Boycott black history month, it's totes biased. >:< ]


I
was making a point in stating that. It irritates the crap out of me that this day was made for one group of people about a problem that affects EVERYONE. Everyone is bullied at some point in there life for some reason, it doesn't just affect LGBT. No, I don't get mad when Black History month comes around; why? Because it's about something that affected that specific group of people--the abolishment of slavery and the celebration of the accomplishments of people of that ethnicity.

[ I think it has a lot more to do with your general dislike of homosexuality than any good reasonI. :shrug: Would you be opposed to a 'Spirit Day' dedicated to kids committing suicide over racial bullying? What about 'Adopt a Shelter Dog' day? That doesn't include cats, so are you still pissed when all those sweet dogs get adopted? What about Breast Cancer awareness month? There's more than one type of cancer that affects patients. How about anxiety awareness week? There's more than one mental illness.

No one ever said it *just* effects LGBT. But the day was made in response to a string of suicides by LGBT teenagers- it's to honor them and prevent it from happening again. LGBT bullying is a /big fucking deal/ because the children affected by it live in a homophobic society and often, homophobic households. Unlike a straight kid or even a child of a minority race, they usually don't have a support system to turn to because of that; they can't open up to their families because they have to hide who they are. Having a voice- a day- raises a lot of awareness. That is a /good thing/. And there are plenty of anti-bullying programs that cover EVERY aspect of bullying; is it really so bad to have one dedicated to a specific type that happens to be very bad at the moment?

Basically, it's childish to be angry over what is essentially a good thing. Everyone knows bullying is bad, but there are plenty of people that don't realize how much more devastating it can be for LGBT teens due to the inherit isolation that typically comes with their status. This event /helps/ these kids. And it's ridiculously /heartless/ ]

You're willing to listen and are only looking for an argument (as made obvious by your comments on my other deviations). You won't find one here and responding would simply be a waste of my time, have a nice day.

[ Seriously, nice cop out. It seems to me that YOU are the one unwilling to listen and only interested in further entrenching yourself in your narrow-minded views. Are you so against an honest discourse? *Queerly was being nothing but polite and very articulate in outlining her thoughtful, well-reasoned responses.

Spirit week DOES bring awareness to all types of bullying- how could a week dedicated to bringing awareness not? It is simply targeted at awareness for LGBT youthes, a group which uniquely has less support than most others and thus is greatly in need of awareness. I'm sorry, but being bullied/made to feel guilty about being a heterosexual is nowhere NEAR the same thing, unless said heterosexual is immersed in a largely hostile HOMOsexual community. Were you? Did you have no hetero friends or family members to turn to? Were you afraid of even admitting it? Unless I'm horribly mistaken, of course not. ]

Considering you don't know the situation I can forgive you for calling it a "cop-out". On the contrary, she was anything but nice in her comments on my journal and stamps and was only aiming to make me angry and start an argument.

Furthermore, as I have stated numerous times, I don't think any one group should have a day for themselves when it affects everyone. And did you do any research on this subject? For one thing; it's not a week, it's a day. For another, until this year (and on deviantART only this year for that matter) I didn't see any awareness whatsoever on the day for anyone else who was bullied or any other type of bullying--hardly anyone at all acknowledged that (except for those of us who were irritated about it). And being bullied for another reason than being homosexual isn't the same thing? Since when? It hurts just the same and people are scared to turn to other people for help just the same. There's no difference other than the reason behind it. And to keep people from killing themselves? That's what TWLOHA is for (link provided in case you don't know what that is), which I wholeheartedly support because it focuses on how to solve the problem. It's not about one group saying "oh poor us, we're dealing with a problem everyone else deals with but we're more important!" which is pretty much exactly what Spirit Day is.

[ Well, I suppose you're correct that I haven't seen everything she has written to you, so I'll concede that, but I still think that it is a major cop-out to not respond to her last paragraph up there- I'd be very interested in your response to the points she raised which, as far as I'm concerned, are spot on and I couldn't have put it better.

Oh yes it's a day not a week, that does invalidate my stance. Was I also wrong on what it's about? Oh, no. So never mind it invalidates nothing. I'll admit I was reading quickly as I was a bit upset upon finding an individual who opposes something that I view as being very good and beneficial.

Plenty of groups have days/weeks/whatever devoted just to them- so, as *Queerly asked, do you oppose all of them as well? Or do you just oppose this because you also oppose what you see as a sinful "choice"? And I support your religious choices, it's perfectly fine for you to believe what you do, I'm certainly not attacking that, even if I disagree with it. But it shouldn't be affecting your opinion on how to treat LGBTs, on supporting a movement that is benefical for them, gives them help and awareness that they desperately need. Like I said, everyone knows bullying is bad. IT HAS AWARENESS. Not everyone knows however what is happening to LGBT youthes, and worse, in some of the more hostile areas, it is IGNORED.

Bullying of LGBT is different. How man times do I have to say this? It doesn't "hurt the same"- perhaps it might appear that way to you, if you are lucky enough to live in an area where LGBTs aren't living in constant fear- but let me tell you, that is not the norm. What makes bullying of LGBTS so different is that they are being bullied in a society where they cannot just turn to the adults for help- a society at large that is hostile and often teaches others to hate them. Which is what makes it different from, say, racial bullying, where those children at least have family to turn to and no one says 'you shouldn't have chosen to be black, put some on dye your skin!'

You know what I did when I was bullied? I talked to my mom, my friends, once even the teacher and guidance counseler.

Do you know what *Queerly did when she was bullied? Withdraw in to herself, far too afraid for her safety in her conservative southern community to go to the teacher, and too sick at heart to be able to admit her true issues to her parents out of fear of rejection/hurting them/making them question their beliefs.

To sum it up, I would like to ask what *Queerly asked before she was blocked:
Would you be opposed to a 'Spirit Day' dedicated to kids committing suicide over racial bullying? What about 'Adopt a Shelter Dog' day? That doesn't include cats, so are you still pissed when all those sweet dogs get adopted? What about Breast Cancer awareness month? There's more than one type of cancer that affects patients. How about anxiety awareness week? There's more than one mental illness.

Like I said, groups getting needed awareness isn't a new thing.

I'm not trying to upset you or argue with you for no reason, and you are certainly entitled to your beliefs. However, I am as well and I will try and implore you to stop fighting something that is a good thing. While I myself have seen plenty of LGBT awareness movements, if you yourself have not, then that proves that they need the day, or week, or whatever it is that they're given in whatever way, more than ever.

There are lots of issues in the world. No day or week or movement could cover them all. In this case, this day covers LGBT bullying. I ask again, what the heck is so bad with that?? ]

And this is why I don't think you or Queerly were even listening, I have stated my reasons very clearly NUMEROUS times, including in my responses to both you and her and you continue to ignore them. Since you won't listen to me when I straight out reply with my answers maybe you should try reading some of the other comments, the artist's comments, etcetera which all state what I have said a thousand times. I'm getting pretty sick of being asked the same questions over and over and then not even being listened to when I answer. And before replying I would like to ask you to please do your research--there is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING that sets LGBT bullying apart from other types of bullying other than media coverage and extensive whining. They all have different degrees of severity, the only difference is--like with most minorities--when they are targeted they have the media freaking out and jumping to conclusions.

Here are some interesting statistics: 1 in every 4 kids from elementary to high school is bullied; only 30% of those are bullied because of their sexual orientation. Over 50% of students who were bullied were bullied because of their physical appearance. Only 4% of bullying cases end with adult intervention, 11% of bullying cases end with peer intervention, and 85% of bullying cases have absolutely no intervention--regardless of the reasons behind the bullying.

And, as I stated before, the degree of severity varies with each case, there is nothing to show that an LGBT kid suffers more or less than any other kid who is bullied (unless, of course, you look at one of the extremely biased websites that completely ignores the statistics of a child who isn't LGBT being bullied--unfortunately there are many out there, the majority of which can't seem to even keep a standardized statistic). If you still insist that this day is needed might I recommend you also create a day for every other child who is bullied for whatever reason; go on, make a day for those who are bullied because they are overweight, skinny, tall, short, heterosexual, smart, stupid, non-athletic, mentally-disabled, physically-disabled, "nerdy", poor, rich, black, hispanic, white, asian, unpopular, has a speech impediment, has frizzy hair, has stick-straight hair, doesn't have a boyfriend/girlfriend, stands up for another child who is bullied...need I say more?

[ You truly don't believe that growing up in a society that is hostile towards you and in which you generally are too afraid to speak out doesn't differentiate LGBT bullying from, to use your list, "overweight, skinny, tall, short, heterosexual, smart, stupid, non-athletic, mentally-disabled, physically-disabled, "nerdy", poor, rich, black, hispanic, white, asian, unpopular, has a speech impediment, has frizzy hair, has stick-straight hair, doesn't have a boyfriend/girlfriend, stands up for another child who is bullied"?

If your answer is yes, then I suppose our conversation is at an end because you are correct, we are simply talking in circles. But if you believe that LGBT kids are just whining about their issues as exacerbated by the media... I'm sorry, but I would say that people like you are the reason awareness movements are needed.

Also if you're going to use statistics, please include source links. ]

If you haven't noticed, most people are the exact opposite of hostile towards them nowadays (kids don't necessarily count, children can be very cruel about everything). Such people are actually pretty much glorified (see LGBT celebrities and politicians) now. I've noticed more people being hostile towards me and several of my non-LGBT friends for having a different opinion on homosexuality than I have seen or heard of any sort of hostility towards my LGBT friends (not simply in the area I live in, I have many friends from other countries, states, and cities).

You misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that horrible stuff doesn't happen to LGBT kids and that they're only whining (although they [not all of them] tend to do a heck of a lot of it; as do most minorities), I'm simply pointing out that it doesn't ONLY happen to them so it doesn't make sense and is unfair to create a day just for them, regardless of how much awareness it raises.

There were mountains of sources most of which have been long since lost I'm afraid but a quick Google search of "LGBT bullying statistics" and just "bullying statistics" should bring up the vast majority of them.


vexic929, deviantart 5 Comments [12/21/2016 9:44:21 AM]
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Seriously, if it was for EVERYONE who was bullied then I could totally get behind it 'cause guess what? Homosexuals are NOT the only ones who are bullied! Seriously, they're not freaking special, I and a friend of mine were bullied in elementary and junior high school--for being short! Where's the short people's "Spirit Day", hm? These days, I've even been bullied for being "STRAIGHT" by homosexuals (I'm ace/arospec not that that matters to them apparently)! This is ridiculous, it's hypocritical and it sickens me! Make "Spirit Day" for everyone or get rid of it altogether. (I will add that I am glad that dA has written that it counts for everyone, I just wish others would follow suit)

Just kidding about the "short people's Spirit Day", that would irritate the crap outta me too.

tl;dr
Spirit Day should be for everyone who was bullied, not just LGBT.

[ I get your point of not supporting Spirit Day, but complaining about a marginalized group of people who get discriminated on a daily basis getting their own day to raise awareness about their oppression isn't going to help anyone, sorry.

Also, how on earth can you get bullied for being straight? Are you equating your experience to thousands of other LGBT students experiences of bullying? Just wondering.... ]

They have plenty of other ways they spread awareness, they don't need a day to themselves over an issue that effects everyone.

I've been bullied by multiple people for simply being straight. If you've ever been on the "social justice" side of tumblr it's a wonderful example. I've seen people receive death threats and threats of rape for being straight or cisgendered and be doxxed (have their address and other personal information put online for the purpose of sending people after them) for that reason. I know of someone who was doxxed and their former rapist found their address and stalked them. So no I'm not comparing my own experiences to it because thankfully I haven't experienced it but I'm saying it happens to everyone in varying degrees no matter the orientation or gender.

[ es you're right, bullying affects everyone.

However, Spirit Day is specifically raising awareness about homophobic, trans phobic, biphobic, etc. bullying. You're right on wanting to have a day that raises awareness for ALL bulliying, I agree with that, but the LGBTQ+ community is also right about wanting to have their own anti-bullying day. LGBTQ+ youth are much more prone to be harassed, bullied, raped, suicidal, etc. than cishet youth so it is important to help them out and cater to their specific needs and problems.

If someone who was being racially bullied was being helped out and defended, then the defenders would need to help them out according to their specific needs, which is to counter attack racism. It's the same thing with LGBTQ+ students, except that their defenders would need to know how to stop homophobia, transphobia, etc.

What I'm trying to say is that different groups of people get bullied in different ways and for different reasons.

And also about "social justice" tumblr, if the users who run those blogs are doing that to others, I highly doubt that they are actually social justice activists, or at least the ones who are sane and know what they are doing. If that happens again, you should report them definately.
Sorry if this was long for you to read Sweating a little... I hope you understand my point. ]

I understand your point but I can't say I agree with it. I've seen no clear, consistent statistics indicating that sexual orientation has anything to do with people being more prone to be harassed, bullied, raped, and/or suicidal, and from what I've seen personally it tends to be the exact opposite as most people do not want to be labelled a "homophobe" for fear of being bullied themselves (this isn't to say it doesn't happen of course, as I've said people are bullied for any reason anyone can come up with and there will always be jerks who do so). As such I believe no one group should have its own day for a problem that affects everyone for varying reasons in varying degrees. The point is we need to stop bullying period and not focus on just one group or the other--I see it solving absolutely nothing and generally causing more issues by creating a sort of "us vs. them" mentality.

As far as "social justice" tumblr goes, the number of people who do that whether they claim to be social justice or not is not only incredibly large but it is sadly growing. Reporting them generally does nothing unless a mass of people reports them (as it is on deviantART it seems as well). It happens constantly and there sadly seems to be no way to combat it beyond arguing back which causes more issues and makes more enemies...:|

vexic929, deviantart 6 Comments [12/21/2016 9:35:23 AM]
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Quote# 123118

OK, let's get this started. I have nothing against gays in general but I just don't like Pride Day! I mean, there is no significance to it, in my opinion! There are more important things to have "pride" for than your sexual preference!

These are the reasons why I hate Pride Day! One, I don't care for your sexuality, I care for you as a person! Two, I don't like when gays flaunt their "gayness" because it makes me uncomfortable and I believe sex should be a more private thing! Three, it's getting old that I can't say anything negative without hearing "oh, you're homophobic!" or "oh, you're Christian so you hate gays!" or "oh since you're Christian, I hate you!" I mean, REALLY? And four, there are more important things than your sexual preference!

I love gays because they are people but I don't particularly care for their preference. I love them because God loves them! I know some of you are Atheists but this is my journal and I have as much as a right to express my beliefs as much as you do! (But if you leave me horrible messages of disrespect, I will block you and remove the comment because I can!)

It's annoying when gays shove their sexuality in my face because I didn't even ASK what gender you preferred! I mean, how you feel if I shoved my being straight in your faces? It probably wouldn't feel good. Well, that's how I feel when everyone puts their preference on display. And then you go all ape-shit on people who disagree with your preference! I don't go all ape when people disagree with my straightness.

I don't care for preference and I don't like being forced to agree with something I don't care for! So why can't you just STFU about your sexual preference because no virtual stranger is going to care! Of course your friends/family/loved ones will care but not some random people on the internet. I'm not telling you that I'm trying to violate your First Amendment Rights but just think before you post because some random strangers aren't really going to give two fucks.

To all you gay people, I love you.

But please, stop flaunting it in front of me when I don't care.

Please.

I'll love you forever!

Conclusion: I'm sorry if anyone got offended by my ranting but I needed to let it out! If you don't respect my beliefs, then I won't respect yours. It's that simple! I believe that tolerance should be a two-way street. I will tolerate your beliefs and sexuality (even if I don't agree with them) if you tolerate my beliefs! I'm not here to tell you you're going to Hell. That's between you and God. I'm not here to shove my beliefs down peoples throats. Okay? Good, glad we got that straightened out!

Have a gay day (no pun intended) and may God bless you through every aspect of your life!

animedisneyluver809, deviantart 13 Comments [12/21/2016 9:34:59 AM]
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Quote# 123117

[ So why am I bisexual and a trans man if I didn't want to be? In fact, I tried to kill myself twice; THAT'S how bad I don't want to be what I am. So what happened? Nature stepped in and made me a certain way. That makes it 'natural'. I hate it. I hate risking being hate-crimes every time I walk out the door. I hate that no one I'm attracted to will ever be attracted back. I hate that I lost friends in high school and was mercilessly bullied and beaten instead. Why do you think people choose this? ]


Dude, I don’t give a fuck if you chose to be a fag or if you were “born that way”, you’re still a filthy degenerate.


[ Why are you so butt hurt about people’s personal choices? ]


So you admit being a fag is a choice? Cool man


[ Way to dodge the question. Why are you scared of gays? ]


Mmmkay we are not on the same page here hun. I’m not afraid of the gays, I want them dead.




FormerFundie, tumblr 13 Comments [12/21/2016 9:34:39 AM]
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Quote# 123116

[ Why should you take away someone else's happiness and not let them get married. They are not trying to force anyone to be gay and you being around them won't "contaminate you" or anything. That's like saying you don't want to be around black people because you are afraid to turn black. Also why deny the LGBT community of happiness? How would you feel if we denied you to get married or have a life because we don't agree with you. ]

Happiness isn’t the end-all be-all, especially if it’s selfish happiness that hurts more people than it helps. We don’t pity a disease when we take medicine to kill it, and we don’t pity vermin when we set out traps to break their necks. I’m under no obligation to feel sorry for degenerates like you that corrupt our society. Get used to it.

[ Glad to know bigotry doesn’t end with religious fundamentalism. ]

You should be glad. Just because I stopped worshipping “god” doesn’t mean I started worshipping the gays. People are individuals. Agreement on one point doesn’t imply agreement on every other.
If I can tolerate conservaphobic atheists, you can handle me.

[ Don’t worry honey, your outdated opinions can’t hurt me. It’s just nice to know who holds them. ]

I’m glad you admit that opposing opinions can’t hurt you. I just wish all the other liberals would get on board and stop trying to outlaw “hate speech”.

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