1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 14 | bottom
Quote# 123205

Bone law: Bones govern looks, which govern attraction, which govern personality

I will make a separate post in more detail about the social implications of bone law in my series called "Bone Law".

Bone law is the law describing bones being the basis of attractiveness.

Protrusions from the Supraorbital ridge, zygomatic bone, maxilla, mandible and minimal to no skull abnormalities is crucial to obtain an aesthetic face.

There has been many attempts to alter bone growth and formulate theories such as smash bone theory and there also been serious attempt to apply such theory http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11553671/Surgeon-who-punched-patient-in-face-to-fix-broken-cheekbone-defends-methods.html

One thing i would like to present is the functional matrix hypothesis.

Explained as- " In the development of vertebrate animals, the functional matrix hypothesis is a phenomenological description of bone growth. It proposes that "the origin, development and maintenance of all skeletal units are secondary, compensatory and mechanically obligatory responses to temporally and operationally prior demands of related functional matrices"

In other words bones dont grow but are GROWN BY ITS FUNCTION.

For more info watch this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=d3OaIcJP1w4

nontrollingaccount, /r/incels 9 Comments [12/27/2016 7:42:11 AM]
Fundie Index: 3
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123204

It is neither "compassionate" nor "humane" to grant refugee status to any individual. It is now clear that granting residence on the basis of refugee status is an act of war against your own nation and society[.]

...

The two men are reportedly two of only 27 refugees recently allowed to enter Japan.

Refugees and immigrants have destroyed America. Other refugees are now attempting to destroy Europe. The very concept of "refugee" needs to be eliminated from the international system. There is no possible benefit to either the nations of the West, or in the long term, the world, to permitting foreigners to invade other countries under the guise of "refugee" status.

There is nothing humane or compassionate about ensuring that there are no safe or civil societies anywhere on Earth.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 16 Comments [12/27/2016 7:41:52 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 123203

There must be some kind of "collective amnesia syndrome" concerning the long-range memory of most people, because I have no trouble remembering the sexual desires I had for select female classmates as far back as 3rd grade (and beyond).
And some of those desires were a bit fornicative in nature as well.

And, no, they were not caused by any "acts of molestation" by any adults in my life. In fact, if anything, I kept my thoughts and fantasies a secret from, especially, my parents and other relatives. And never shared them with any classmates either. I already figured out they were a bit of an "oddity" on my part as no-one else seemed to have any of the kinds of hang-ups that were the norm for me. My desires and fantasies were purely of my own making---stuff I came up with.
I'm quite convinced that if the people in my life knew half of what I was visualizing in my mind at the time they would have been quite shocked.
Oddly enough, to this day, a lot of what would turn me on with a woman is the same things that were turning me on with the girls in my class.

But, on the subject of "childhood innocence", yes the sexual desires start prepubescent. However, due to cultural taboos and the fact that most parents wait until their offspring is "old enough to" understand certain select "facts of life", there is still that overall naivety children have about the subject as they still have no total concept of all the nuances of the subject itself, of just how involved and abstract (in the lascivious sense) the adult versions can get (and let's face it: A lot of adult sex can get WAY OUT THERE).
As such, a child's version, lust-filled as it can be, is still quite tame in comparison, even when mildly perverted. In short: A kid exposed to some of the harsher versions of "adult sex" does stand to suffer a sizable degree of "culture shock". I'm not questioning that.
I'm only stating that a lot of the basic sexual desires don't "wait until" the teenage years to start manifesting themselves mentally, emotionally,and psychologically.
One thing: I was so naive at the time I honestly thought my lust and erotic fantasies were "proof of my 'being in love with'" said classmate (I was only 9 and 10 at the time, so cut me some slack).

Tal Hartsfeld, Eivind Berge's Blog 3 Comments [12/27/2016 7:40:25 AM]
Fundie Index: 2

Quote# 123202

We live in ever more hateful times. This ongoing prosecution, in which a suspended policeman is charged with the newly invented crime of reading erotic short stories, pushes the envelope of feminist sex-hostility another notch forward and inspired the following essay from me.

When words are criminal, so are thoughts. Whether thoughts are written down or not makes no moral difference, and any words that sexualize a minor are criminal. My opinions on "child" sexuality (referring to anyone under 18) are fundamentally criminal, and only technical and resource limitations (mind reading technology is not there yet) prevents the state from convicting and imprisoning me. Notice that the law covers every medium of thought currently accessible to the police, and if they could read our thoughts directly, they would surely do so and base their prosecution on it.

This is the feeling the Norwegian child porn law gives rise to. I fundamentally do not fit in. I seethe with roiling hatred against the state, and the hatred is mutual, because the spirit of the law means I belong in prison and not in society. This conflict cannot be resolved, because it is fundamental, unequivocal, mutual hatred. When all is said and done, we hate each other, society and I.

Let us meditate on what this means, and face the horror of the law. Whether you have any interest in breaking it or not, the atmosphere it creates is true horror. I don't particularly care about the specific short stories that incriminated this policeman, but I care very much about freedom of speech and thought. The Norwegian legislature has decided that your mind is meant to exist in a prison of criminality, shuddering in fear of thinking unclean thoughts, reading or hearing unclean words or, horror of horrors, seeing unclean images. The scumbags in law enforcement will even target their own for perceiving unclean information, for that is how fucking seriously this society takes mind control. This society has decided that not even thoughts are free, with all the horrifying consequences that entails, because we worship the mythical innocence of the child above all other considerations. An innocence which is entirely specious, but that doesn't matter, because it is the idea of childish innocence that these laws are meant to protect, and explicitly so since they also apply to fiction.

This society is incapable of being rational about "child" sexuality, because as soon as a sexual reference is made to anyone under 18, or even according to the law someone who merely appears to be under 18 (as in acting), and even a fictional one, all expression is forbidden and the only possible response is state-enforced violence. If the law is to be taken seriously, we must burn most books and imprison all men and throw our cultural heritage out the window. If a man keeps as much as a diary or a scrap sheet of paper where anyone under 18 is sexualized in any form, he must be surveillanced, hunted down and imprisoned. It is surreal that I am damn near the only one who hasn't internalized the charade, who speaks up against it, who feels seething hatred in the opposite direction than everyone else, whose hatred is directed squarely at me and anyone who transgresses their moronic taboos. Usually the transgressor will himself have internalized the taboos, so the most he will do is claim he "didn't do it" while obsequiously parroting the same sex-hostility.

There are very few living people I respect. It is almost impossible to find a person whose mind has not been captured by these taboos. Nearly everyone supports or at least condones child porn laws, probably more than 99 people out of 100, and if you are one of them I disrespect your puny intellect and hate your guts. You gullible fool who don't understand the monstrosity you enable, at best, or odious creep who has actually internalized the sex-hostility! I know some of you have thought these matters through as carefully as I have, and chosen the other side. In that case I have no illusions of convincing you otherwise, because I know we fundamentally hate each other and it is not based on any misunderstanding.

I ponder the law and realize that my soul is criminal. My country fundamentally wants to imprison me for who I am, a normal man, and other men don't want to stand up against it even though they are just as much targeted themselves. I do not fit in, and don't want to fit into this sick society. I had to pinch myself to check that I am not having a nightmare, because this is so batshit crazy that I didn't seriously expect it to be enforced, even though I knew the law has been intending it for years. As far as I can tell, the dystopia is real. I am literally living in a country where the police can and will persecute you for reading or writing fictional stories. And worse, I am just about the only one who sees anything wrong with it. It is deeply disturbing, and breaks down certain barriers that I thought would protect us. I have never been so scared of the government as I am now, because this is not only hateful, it is absurd. When I was arrested and accused of incitement, there was at least some logic to the prosecution's case, some potentially real evil they were investigating, but this is entirely unaccountable. When the government is capable of persecuting you for the content of your library and personal records/drafts -- including fiction, for God's sake! -- is there any refuge left? Is there any limit to what they might decide next? And when they even target one of their own for such an absurdly victimless reason, what makes you think you are safe?

Eivind Berge, Eivind Berge's Blog 8 Comments [12/27/2016 7:30:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 123268

This is the greatest discovery in the history of paleontology, Indisputably. Dinosaur soft tissue and dinosaur DNA. The atheistic science world wants you to know nothing about , they wish it weren't true, they don't want it to be true, when they hear it they put it out of their mind. Their problem is, it's proven and factual. Also, we are finding carbon-14 in these samples proving their true age to be well under 57,000 years. You will hear from the scoffers ... it's a hoax, it's contaminated, fraud ... bla bla bla. Please check out the evidence for your self. Another little piece of data that has been swept under the rug is that the Neanderthal DNA has been sequenced. Its closer to man then a chimp is to a chimp within the same species of chimps. Neanderthals' are 100% human. DNA doesn't lie!

cbc media, youtube 0 Comments [12/26/2016 5:03:31 PM]
Fundie Index: 1

Quote# 123229

Normies answer this

Would you be happy if you were a Virgin at 20+ ? I don't fucking think so. Stop shaming Incels. You just got lucky. Sex and relationships are a big part of life. Lol sex and relationships aren't everything! Lol oh please. A lot of normies are obsessed with sex. You normies wouldn't last as an incel. Most people would be unhappy as fuck if they were incel. Most people are unhappy when they aren't in a relationship, people are always trying to find someone. No one wants to be alone. Lol I Fucking see women complain about being single for 3 weeks. You guys have no clue.

iamhopeless256, /r/incels 83 Comments [12/24/2016 1:07:19 AM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123224

Seriously, why don't people just kill pro-lifers already? They're wastes of skin and oxygen. They deserve it for all the terrible things they've done to women.

NeoMatrix, FSTDT 35 Comments [12/23/2016 11:20:55 PM]
Fundie Index: 12
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 123221

What is a woman?
A woman, as we have already said, is, in contrast to a man, a human being who does not work. One might leave it at that, for there isn't much more to say about her, were the basic concept of "human being" not so general and inexact in embracing both "man" and "woman."

Life offers the human being two choices: animal existence - a lower order of life - and spiritual existence. In general, a woman will choose the former and opt for physical well-being, a place to breed, and an opportunity to indulge unhindered in her breeding habits. At birth, men and women have the same intellectual potential; there is no primary difference in intelligence between the sexes. It is also a fact that potential left to stagnate will atrophy. Women do not use their mental capacity: they deliberately let it disintegrate. After a few years of sporadic training, they revert to a state of irreversible mental torpor.

Why do women not make use of their intellectual potential? For the simple reason that they do not need to. It is not essential for their survival. Theoretically it is possible for a beautiful woman to have less intelligence than a chimpanzee and still be considered an acceptable member of society.

By the age of twelve at the latest, most women have decided to become prostitutes. Or, to put it another way they have planned a future for themselves which consists of choosing a man and letting him do all the work. In return for his support, they are prepared to let him make use of their vagina at certain given intervals. The minute a woman has made this decision she ceases to develop her mind. She may, of course, go on to obtain various degrees and diplomas. These increase her market value in the eyes of men, for men believe that a woman who can recite things by heart must also know and understand them. But any real possibility of communication between the sexes ceases at this point. Their paths are divided forever.

One of man's worst mistakes, and one he makes over and over again, is to assume that woman is his equal, that is, a human being of equal mental and emotional capacity. A man may observe his wife, listen to her, judge her feelings by her reactions, but in all this he is judging her only by outward symptoms, for he is using his own scale of values.

He knows what he would say, think and do if he were in her shoes. When he looks at her depressing ways of doing things, he assumes there must be something that prevents her from doing what he himself would have done in her position. This is natural, as he considers himself the measure of all things - and rightly so - if humans define themselves as beings capable of abstract thought. When a man sees a woman spending hours cooking, washing dishes and cleaning, it never occurs to him that such jobs probably make her quite happy since they are exactly at her mental level. Instead he assumes that this drudgery prevents her from doing all those things which he himself considers worthwhile and desirable.

Therefore, he invents automatic dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, and precooked foods to make her life easier and to allow her to lead the dream life he himself longs for.

But he will be disappointed: rarely using the time she has gained to take an active interest in history, politics or astrophysics, woman bakes cakes, irons underclothes and makes ruffles and frills for blouses or, if she is especially enterprising, covers her bathroom with flower decals. It is natural, therefore, that man assumes such things to be the essential ingredients of gracious living. This idea must have been instilled by woman, as he himself really doesn't mind if his cakes are store bought, his underpants unironed, or his bathroom devoid of flowery patterns. He invents cake mixes to liberate her from drudgery, automatic irons and toilet-paper holders already covered with flower patterns to make gracious living easier to attain - and still women take no interest in serious literature, politics, or the conquest of the universe. For her, this newfound leisure comes just at the right moment. At last she can take in herself: since a longing after intellectual achievements is alien to her, she concentrates on her external appearance.

Yet even this occupation is acceptable to man. He really loves his wife and wants her happiness more than anything in the world. Therefore he produces non-smear lipstick, waterproof mascara, home permanents, no-iron frilly blouses and throwaway underwear - always with the same aim in view. In the end, he hopes, this being whose needs seem to him so much sensitive, so much more refined, will gain freedom - freedom to achieve in her life the ideal state which is his dream: to live the life of a free man.

Then he sits back and waits. Finally, as woman does not come to him of her own free will, he tries to tempt her into his world. He offers her coeducation, so that she is accustomed to his way of life from childhood. With all sorts of excuses, he gets her to attend his universities and initiates her into the mysteries of his own discoveries, hoping to awaken her interest in the wonders of life. He gives her access to the very last male strongholds, thereby relinquishing traditions sacred to him by encouraging her to make use of her right to vote in the hope she will change the systems of government he has managed to think up so laboriously, according to her own ideas. Possibly he even hopes that she will be able to create peace in the world - for, in his opinion, women are a pacifist influence.

In all this he is so determined and pigheaded that he fails to see what a fool he is making of himself - ridiculous by his own standards, not those of women, who have absolutely no sense of humor.

DefenseOfTheRest, /r/incels 32 Comments [12/23/2016 4:30:53 PM]
Fundie Index: 19
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123218

JFK put a an on the moon, Obama put a guy in the ladies bathroom

Slimjeezy, Reddit 24 Comments [12/23/2016 4:14:03 PM]
Fundie Index: 9
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 123217

satans master plan, counterfeit christianity! so many people claim that they love christ,but don't know who he really is! they worship baal,and don't even know it, pastors have either been blinded by the god of this world or for unknown reasons preach lies or things that have nothing to do with god or his laws ,the truth is virtually not preach in 99% of the
churches ,but another gospel and another christ, like the apostle paul
warned about has taken its place ,if the one true Gospel were preached
there would be quite a difference in the world, but it is alot easier to
accept lies and fairy tales as the normal, just like people did in the days of noah before the flood, apolistic or true christianity is out there
but you have to look for it, and people who are deceived don't know it,
and are so deeply caught in this masterpiece of satan that they don't believe it anyway and when confronted with it rather believe what they have been told, or what they can make up in their mind( what satan put there) that they will argue tooth and nail their right, and the bible is wrong,1there is no such thing as shame any more,and all things evil is
accepted with open arms.this truly is satans world and he has many
followers that don't know it,or would never believe it,and just like so many who didn't believe christ then ,there are 10 times as many today
that are the same,like you i'm a sinner too but there are some things i will not accept and try to stay away from ,i will never be perfect but i
will not accept the ways of this world ,god bless

(This was in reply to the "Spiderman is Evil Magic" question from Soldier for Salvation, so I just submitted it because it seemed so random. What do you make of it?
P.S. : Any of you mind checking Public Virgil? Perfect example of blog post decay.)

robert s, Yahoo! Answers 15 Comments [12/23/2016 4:13:58 PM]
Fundie Index: 3
Submitted By: The Raygun Dude

Quote# 123200

Faith2Action, a fringe splinter group from the Ohio Right to Life, wants to restrict abortion to any fetus with a detectable heartbeat. The fringe group wants the law so badly that they’re willing to keep fighting through Christmas to convince the Republican legislature to override Gov. John Kasich’s veto. They’re two votes short, the Toledo Blade reported.

Kasich is one of the most anti-choice governors in the country, Jezebel concluded. On the same day that he vetoed the bill he signed a bill that banned all abortions after 20-weeks.

“Don’t give up — we have never been closer to ending abortion than we are right now!” wrote Janet Folger Porter, president of Faith2Action in an email to supporters.

Spokesman for NARAL ProChoice Ohio, Gabriel Mann, explained that Porter has been fighting for these laws for years and badgering officials. While many Republicans may have voted for the bill initially some of them may have done so if they knew that Kasich would veto. If they supported it then they may not support a veto override.

A total of 56 members voted to pass the bill and House Speaker Cliff Rosenberger said that two members would have voted for it but they were absent. It takes 60 votes to override the veto.

Janet Folger Porter and Faith2Action, Raw Story 17 Comments [12/23/2016 2:41:32 AM]
Fundie Index: 3
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 123199

One of the grandsons of Soviet leader Josef Stalin has been found dead in the Russian capital Moscow, ambulance officials say.

The body of Yevgeny Dzhugashvili, 80, was found close to his home in the city. The cause of death is unclear.

Mr Dzhugashvili was an outspoken defender of his grandfather's legacy, frequently using the courts to do so.

In 2015 he lost a case relating to the 1940 Katyn massacre of Polish prisoners at the European Court of Human Rights.

The court rejected a complaint brought by Mr Dzhugashvili over an article accusing the Soviet leader of being a "bloodthirsty cannibal".

Published in the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the article said Soviet leaders including Stalin were "bound by much blood" by ordering the execution of about 20,000 Polish prisoners of war at Katyn.

Mr Dzhugashvili argued that the article blackened his grandfather's reputation and was defamatory. He took his case to the European court after various courts in Russia threw it out.

Yevgeny Dzhugashvili, BBC News 31 Comments [12/23/2016 2:40:55 AM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 123197

The King James Bible contains 31% prophecy. The Quran contains none. There's not a book in the world, apart from God's inspired Word, that predicts the future, unless it has been planned by men. And if men could author the Bible, they wouldn't. But if for the sake of argument, they could, men could not plan such horrific events as the following shocking revelations:

[Text of Revelation 16:18-21]

Good night in the morning! Wow! The holy Bible foretells of the biggest earthquake in history! This will be a global event. The entire earth will shake, in every place on the planet. This worldwide quaking of the earth will be so great, that the cities across the world will crumble. All of the skyscrapers will fall. The tallest building in the world,[1] the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, which stands at a towering 2,717 feet, and has 163 floors, will crumble to the ground! There will not be a single skyscraper standing after this great earthquake. Perhaps you ask, “How do you know that?” My friend, read the preceding passage of Scripture again, if you missed it the first time, from Revelation 16:20, “AND EVERY ISLAND FLED AWAY, AND THE MOUNTAINS WERE NOT FOUND”!!! I cannot even image how horrifying this event will be.

...

I firmly believe that the mention of “the great Babylon” in Revelation 16:19 refers to America, specifically, the United States! God is justly going “to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath” for our gross wickedness!!! Think about it! America today is an ungodly hellhole, a repository of perverts, murderers, thieves and blasphemers. From James Cameron's movies that continually curse in God's name thousands of times (e.g., Avatar & The Abyss), to the Federal Reserve System (which is a criminal enterprise stealing from Americans since 1913); from the cesspool of iniquity in “Sin City” Las Vegas, to the fascist abortion industry which has murdered over 58,000,000 human lives in the U.S. since 1973; from the ungodly liquor traffic to the infestation of the U.S. with illegal drugs; from the ungodly homosexual community to the perversion of the Word of God in hundreds of English Bible revisions; from the ungodly shady business advertising nationwide to the denial of the inspiration of the King James Bible by many of our failing churches—AMERICA DESERVES GOD'S JUDGMENT!!!

You can try to prepare if you dare, buying all the personal home and car insurance money can buy. You can get the best umbrella policy available my friend, but you won't escape the horrors that are coming unless you are a born-again Christian! The saints will be removed, “caught away” (1st Thessalonians 4:17), from the earth before the horrors of the 7 year Tribulation period. We commonly refer to this Biblical event theologically as “the Rapture.” Although there is much debate over the timing of the Rapture, most Bible believers agree that the saints will be taken out of the world before the Great Tribulation (i.e., the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation period). I personally believe that the holy Bible teaches a pretribulation Rapture, which is the historical Baptist position. That is, the saints (Church) will be caught away (raptured) from the earth to be with the Lord, before the Tribulation starts. Please read my article, Logic Must Prove a Pretribulation Rapture.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 23 Comments [12/23/2016 2:40:05 AM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 123193

Just one little shred of proof is too much for you? Quite pathetic.

"You've had it already. Fossils and the law of superposition. Fossils of extinct species. Same fossils on both sides of the Atlantic. Transitional fossils. Nylon-eating bacteria. Radiometric and radiocarbon dating. Dendrochronology. All the things you sneer at and think you know better than scientists do."

Law of super position doesn't come close to proving anything, there has been trees found through several layers, indicating the layers were deposited there is a short period of time.
Same fossils on both sides does more to disprove evolution than to prove it, it is logical that if evolution actually occurred the creatures would differ being segregated by long distances.
Transitional fossils are a joke, merely someone's opinion of how they should go, there isn't one shred of proof that any one fossil evolved into another.
Nylon-eating bacteria can eat nylon, that is not all they eat. Not sure what relevance that has, a dog my parents once had ate it's own poop - that doesn't prove evolution either.
Radiometric and radiocarbon dating based on speculation and assumption, no one knows the starting level not any outside influences. You also might want to look up the 70 year old volcanic rock that was dated at over 3 million years.
Dendrochronology? The oldest tree was determined to be 4580 years old, not proof of evolution either.
Do try again.

Oboehner, Christian News Network 14 Comments [12/23/2016 2:39:09 AM]
Fundie Index: 12
Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 123192

Enlighten me then, just one tidbit of proof [of evolution].

"How about that poor nylon-eating bacteria, starving for millenia until humans invented nylon for it to eat? No?"

They are capable of eating nylon, it's not the only thing they can eat. Try again.

"No, you fail to understand, as expected. There is scientific consensus that the capacity to synthesize nylonase most probably developed as a single-step mutation that survived because it improved the fitness of the bacteria possessing the mutation. More importantly: The enzyme involved has been produced by a mutation completely randomizing the original gene. Despite this, the new gene still had a novel, albeit weak, catalytic capacity. This is seen as a good example of how mutations easily can provide the raw material for evolution by natural selection."

scientific consensus = popular opinion
most probably = speculation
mutations easily can = more speculation

Oboehner, Christian News Network 15 Comments [12/23/2016 2:39:00 AM]
Fundie Index: 10

Quote# 123191

[Reacting to the official reveal that Tracer, the mascot of the video game Overwatch, is a lesbian]

This decision ruins her character, now she's no longer a role model for little girls, because being gay isn't normal and shouldn't be promoted to children or teenagers.

Kograk, Battle Net Forum 52 Comments [12/23/2016 2:35:07 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 123188

Well. Maeght, the Holy Bible contradicts you. Almighty God makes it clear that in the first instance this planet was void...insignificant...it had born life previously but it had ceased to function and darkness was on the face of the watery deep.

After many acts of nation building...which incidentally...he built a nation that still exists today...he introduced righteousness via Jesus Christ...a stepping stone towards word peace and harmony for those who value righteousness. A package over 10,000 years in the making, so far, all the product of a people...not of this world. The evidence of people not of this world is all around us today...but you can dismiss it if you want and there advanced technology which is also apparent, with your worldly governments trying to imitate their skills.

Now...these people have warned us of an impending danger...a Judgement...because these universal people know how to withstand the impact that is looming and I'm sorry to have to tell you, it all hinges upon the teaching of one of their number...their God's son...who, incidentally is our savior and co-owner of the entire universe under the direct authority of his father...take it or leave it.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 10 Comments [12/23/2016 2:33:56 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 123187


The issue of 'whether a falling tree makes a sound if no one observes it'.....is not as obvious as it sounds. In a Virtual Reality situation for example, when we are in a virtual forest....does a falling tree make a sound when no one observes it'? Does the tree or forest even exist when no one observes it?

The answer is... no. There is no forest, no tree and no sound. Its all created in the mind by certain signals. Only when we observe it does the world come alive.

Similarly, if we take the idea of a simulated universe seriously, the entire world is just an appearance, an illusion (Maya) generated by our Consciousness. If we don't observe it, it does not exist.


Sriram, Religion and Ethics 18 Comments [12/23/2016 2:33:27 AM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 123186

What the Piltdown Hoax Tells Us, 104 Years Later

A curious anniversary falls this weekend. On December 18, 1912, the infamous Piltdown hoax was unveiled to an astonished audience of the Geological Society of London by lawyer and amateur archeologist Charles Dawson (1864-1916) and Arthur Smith Woodward (1864-1944) of the British Museum. What they showed was nothing short of amazing: the apparent remains of a human-like skull attached to an ape-like jaw. Allegedly unearthed at the Piltdown gravel pit in East Sussex, England, it was hailed as the missing link -- a truly history-making discovery!

It would take nearly 41 years to expose the artifact as a fraud. On November 21, 1953, officials of the British Natural History Museum revealed the shocking truth: Piltdown man was a hoax, the combination of three species, a medieval human cranium, the jaw of a centuries-old young orangutan, and some fossilized chimpanzee teeth. Various culprits have been proposed, including famed Jesuit philosopher Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) and physician/novelist Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930). But most recent investigation suggests that the imposture was likely perpetrated by Dawson alone in an effort to gain recognition and election as a Fellow into the Royal Society (see "Piltdown hoax solved," Forbes, August 10, 2016).

Writing for Harper's on the second anniversary of the Piltdown exposure, paleontologist Loren Eiseley (1907-1977), not one to look at an event or a phenomenon superficially, asked, "Was Charles Darwin Wrong About the Human Brain?" Eiseley noted that Alfred Russel Wallace (1823-1913), co-discoverer of the theory of natural selection, was unimpressed with the Piltdown "find" from the beginning. Writing to a friend in August 1913 (just three months before his death), Wallace exclaimed, "The Piltdown skull does not prove much, if anything!" Why, asked Eiseley, had Wallace, almost alone among the scientific community, so summarily dismissed this apparently stunning missing link? The answer was simple: "he did not believe in a skull which had a modern brain box attached to an apparently primitive face and given, in the original estimates, an antiquity of something over a million years." The archeological "discovery" would have confirmed Darwin's Descent of Man in dramatic fashion. Indeed Piltdown man was, from a Darwinian perspective, even something that would have been predicted.

But Wallace's "voice of lonely protest," observed Eiseley, underscored "the abyss which yawned between man and ape" that Darwinians at the time blissfully ignored. Having observed primitive cultures in South America and the Malay Archipelago for more than twelve years, Wallace concluded (quoting Eiseley) that humans' "mental powers were far in excess of what they really needed to carry on the simple food-gathering techniques by which they survived." Certainly no process of natural selection was adequate to produce such superior powers of art, reason, and morals. For Wallace, the human brain freed mankind from the tyranny of natural selection:

Here, then, we see the true grandeur and dignity of man. On this view of his special attributes, we may admit, that even those who claim for him a position as an order, or a sub-kingdom by himself, have some show of reason on their side. He is, indeed, a being apart, since he is not influenced by the great laws which irrestistibly modify all other organic beings (Contributions to the Theory of Natural Selection, 1870).


How, then, do we account for this impressive array of human attributes? Wallace thought that mankind might well have emerged comparatively recently, and that the rapid evolution of the modern human brain would confirm that "distinct and higher agencies" have been responsible for these mental attributes and attainments.

Eiseley confessed, "Since the exposure of the Piltdown hoax all of the evidence at our command -- and it is considerable -- points to man, in his present form, as being one of the youngest and newest of all earth's swarming inhabitants. . . . Today, with the solution of the Piltdown enigma, we must settle the question of the time involved in favor of Wallace, not Darwin." Although Eiseley thought some other wholly naturalistic explanation might account for the late and virtually saltationist expansion of the human intellect, he confessed that "science . . . has yet to explain how we have come so far so fast, nor has it any completely satisfactory answer to the question asked by Wallace long ago."

Today we still wait for an explanation, and it must be admitted that various speculations along the lines of blind chance and necessity or natural selection remain as unsatisfactory as when Eiseley was writing more than sixty years ago. A century after Wallace's dismissal of Piltdown man, science still confirms Eiseley's assessment and Wallace's vindication. The chart below shows the timeline for ascending brain size/body weight estimates for Sahelanthropus, Australopithecus afarensis, early Homo, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, H. heidelbergensis, Neanderthals, and H. sapiens.

[chart omitted]

This chart shows relative brain size as cm3 per 50 kg of body weight. Adapted with modifications from Robert Jurmain, Lynn Kilgore, et al., Introduction to Physical Anthropology, 2013-2014 ed. (Wadsworth, Cengage Learning, 2014), p. 357, and "Homo habilis," Encyclopedia Britannica, updated August 15, 2015.

Clearly brain size and capacity has not only increased, but increased at a very late and remarkably accelerated pace. Of course brain size is not the only measure of intellectual capacity, other factors may be involved. Some, for example, emphasize that Neanderthals, the closest historically to humans, possessed brains that were larger in absolute size to us. But as recent analysis has uncovered, the Neanderthal brain was quite different from its human counterpart. Being much more elongated than globular, the indications are that Neanderthals "reached large brain sizes along different evolutionary pathways." Their speculation that unique patterns of brain development in H. sapiens would have become "a target for positive selection" merely begs Wallace's original question (see Gunz et al., "Brain development after birth differs between Neanderthals and modern humans," Current Biology, Nov. 2010).

So the question remains: How did humans acquire such vast intellectual capacities so comparatively recently and so rapidly? Wallace called upon an "Overruling Intelligence" to explain human intelligence and many other features of complexity in biology and the cosmos. While Darwinians continue to search for some naturalistic cause, others, like British physician James Le Fanu, point out that the disappointments in high-tech solutions to the nature of the intellect and the human mind so touted by the human genome project and promised in the "Decade of the Brain" in the 1990s should force a reassessment of our species as truly unique (Why Us?: How Science Rediscovered the Mystery of Ourselves, 2009).

Eiseley's long forgotten but intriguing article is fortunately now available as "The Real Secret of Piltdown" in a new 2-volume set of his collected essays. As we reflect on the 104th anniversary of arguably science's greatest fraud, Eiseley's conclusion rings is as pertinent today as when it was first written:

The true secret of Piltdown, though thought by the public to be merely the revelation of an unscrupulous forgery, lies in the fact that it has forced science to reexamine carefully the history of the most remarkable creation in the world -- the human brain.


If the Cambrian period of 530 million years ago poses serious challenges to Darwin's insistence upon slow, incremental change in the amazingly rapid proliferation of animals over a mere 5 to 6 million-year timespan (see Darwin's Doubt), then how much more should the transformational changes in the human brain over the past 100 to 200,000 years cause as serious reevaluation of the nature of human beings and the means by which they came to be. If the Cambrian "explosion" is just too much change over too little time to be explained by Darwinian processes, the human brain is way too much change over way too little time. Perhaps Wallace's view of the Piltdown hoax still holds an important lesson for us today. Maybe the most dramatic "explosion" of all is the one that rests within our crania.

Michael Flannery, Evolution News and Views 10 Comments [12/23/2016 2:33:15 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123185

Yale's Steven Novella Argues with Michael Behe -- Here's Why Novella Is Wrong

Steven Novella, a neurologist and noted "skeptic" at Yale University School of Medicine, has commented on a recent Harvard University experiment for visualizing bacterial adaptation to antibiotics. In doing so, he argues with Michael Behe whose take on the subject was noted at Evolution News. Here is why Dr. Novella is wrong.

The Harvard researchers constructed a giant petri dish with spatially varying antibiotics to watch how bacteria adapt over time and space (the researchers came up with a great name for the experiment: The microbial evolution and growth arena [MEGA]-plate). And adapt they did. Those adaptations were instantly claimed as an example of evolution in action. The researchers wrote that the "MEGA-plate provides a versatile platform for studying microbial adaption and directly visualizing evolutionary dynamics" (emphasis added). And the press release informed the public that the experiment provided "A powerful, unvarnished visualization of bacterial movement, death, and survival; evolution at work, visible to the naked eye." Likewise, Novella called it "a nice demonstration of evolution at work in a limited context." There's only one problem: The experiment did not demonstrate evolution, it falsified evolution.

First off, Novella deserves some credit for acknowledging at least some limitations in the experiment's results:

Of course, this one piece of evidence does not "prove" something as complex and far ranging as the evolution of life on Earth.


Novella also deserves credit for acknowledging that evolutionary change that requires a few mutations, rather than merely one, is a big problem. Novella has solutions that he believes resolve this problem, but at least he acknowledges what too often is conveniently ignored.

What Novella does not acknowledge, however, is that bacteria adaptation research, over several decades now, has clearly shown non-evolutionary change. For instance, bacterial adaptation has often been found to be rapid, and sensitive to the environmental challenge. In other words, when we look at the details, we do not find the evolutionary model of random variation slowly bringing about change, but rather environmentally directed or influenced variation.

That is not evolution. And indeed, the Harvard experiment demonstrated, again, very rapid adaptation. In just ten days the bacteria adapted to high doses of lethal antibiotic. As one of the researchers commented, "This is a stunning demonstration of how quickly microbes evolve."

True, it is "stunning," but "evolve" is not the correct term. The microbes adapted.

The ability of organisms to adapt rapidly falls under the category of epigenetics, a term that encompasses a range of sophisticated mechanisms which promote adaptation which is sensitive to the environment. Given our knowledge of bacterial epigenetics, and how fast the bacteria responded in the Harvard experiment, it certainly is reasonable to think that epigenetics, of some sort, may have been at work.

Such epigenetic change is not a new facet of evolution, it contradicts evolution. Not only would such complex adaptation mechanisms be difficult to evolve via random mutations, they wouldn't provide fitness improvement, and so would not be selected for, even if they did somehow arise from mutations.

Epigenetic mechanisms respond to future, unforeseen conditions. Their very existence contradicts evolution. So the Harvard experiment, rather than demonstrating evolution in action, is probably yet another example of epigenetic-based adaptation. If so, it would contradict evolution.

Another problem, one that Michael Behe points out, is that it appears that most of the mutations that occurred in the experiment served to shutdown genes. In other words, the mutations broke things, they did not build things. This is another way to see that this does not fit the evolutionary model. It's devolution, not evolution. Novella begs to differ, and says Behe has made a big mistake:

Behe is wrong because there is no such thing as "devolution." Evolution is simply heritable change, any change, and that change can create more complexity or more simplicity. Further, altering a protein does not "degrade" it -- that notion is based on the false premise that there is a "correct" sequence of amino acids in any particular protein. Evolution just makes proteins different. Proteins perform "better" or "worse" only in so much that they contribute to the survival and reproduction of the individual. If it is better for the survival of the organism for an enzyme to be slower, then the slower enzyme is better for that organism.


First, Novella ignores the fact that many of the mutations introduced stop codons, and so did not merely slow an enzyme but rather shut it down altogether.

Secondly, it is not Behe here who is making the mistake, it is Novella. He says "Evolution is simply heritable change..." But this is an equivocation.

On the one hand, evolutionists want to say that shutting down or slowing a gene is "evolution," but on the other hand, they say that a fish turning into a giraffe is "evolution."

Unfortunately evolutionists routinely make this equivocation. This is because they don't think of it as an equivocation. In their adherence and promotion of the theory, the distinction is lost on them. All change just smears together in one big long process called evolution. You can see other examples of this here and here.

So the comments, press releases, and articles send a misleading message. Readers are told that the researchers have seen "evolution in action." The message is clear: This is evolution, the evolution. But it isn't. There is nothing in these findings that show us how a fish turns into a giraffe.

Multiple Mutations

As I mentioned, Novella also believes that evolution coming up with designs requiring multiple mutations is not a problem. His reasoning is that while this would be a problem if most mutations were harmful, they aren't. Most mutations are neutral, so evolutionary drift can introduce the many needed mutations, and once the set of required mutations are in place, then you have the new design.

This is a profound misunderstanding of the problem evolution faces. You can't evolve a protein, for example, with drift. That most mutations are neutral does not suddenly resolve the curse of dimensionality and resolve this astronomical search problem. There just is no free lunch.

Similarly, Novella makes yet another profound mistake involving what he calls "the lottery fallacy."

The first is basically the lottery fallacy - considering the odds of John Smith winning the lottery by chance alone and concluding it could not have happened by chance. Rather, you should consider the odds that anyone would win the lottery. This is actually pretty good. Behe looks at life on Earth and asks -- what are the odds that this specific pathway or protein or whatever evolved by chance alone. He is failing to consider that there may have been billions of possible solutions or pathways down which that creature's ancestors could have evolved. Species that failed to adapt either migrated to an environment in which they could survive, or they went extinct. In other words, Behe should not be asking what the odds are that this bit of complexity evolved, but rather what are the odds that any complexity evolved. It is difficult to know the number of potential complexities that never evolved -- that number may dwarf the odds of any one bit evolving. Right there Behe's entire premise is demolished...


This is a terribly flawed argument for several reasons. First, life needs proteins. All life that we know of needs proteins. Thousands of proteins.

Yet proteins are far beyond evolution's reach. It is true, per Novella's point, that there are a whole lot of ways to make a given protein. There are many, many different amino acid sequences that give you a globin. But "many, many" is like a grain of sand compared to the astronomical amino acid sequence search space. Again, there is no free lunch.

But Novella goes further than this, which brings us to the second flaw. Novella is not merely arguing there are many different ways to construct life as we know it. He is pointing out that there are, or at least there could be, a whole bunch of different ways to make life in the first place.

If you take them all together, you could have a pretty big set of possibilities. Perhaps it is astronomical. So what we got in this world -- the life forms we observe -- are not point designs in an otherwise lifeless design space. Rather, the design space could be chock full of life forms. And hence, the evolution of life becomes likely, and "Right there Behe's entire premise is demolished."

What Novella is arguing for here is unobservable. He is going far beyond science, into an imaginary philosophical world of maybes.

Not only is Novella clearly appealing to the unobservable, but even that doesn't work. At least for any common sense approach. There is no question that the design space is full of useless blobs of chemicals that do nothing. A speculative claim? No, that is what this thing called science has made abundantly clear to us. Even the simple case of a single protein reveals as much. Only a relatively few mutations to most proteins rob them of their function. Protein function is known to dramatically reduce as different amino acids are swapped in.

Of course this is all obvious to anyone who understands how things work. Sure, Novella may be right that there are other, unknown, solutions to life. But that isn't suddenly going to resolve evolution's astronomical search problem. The problem was never contingent on the life we observe being the only possible life forms possible

[Submitter's Note: Emphasis original]

Cornelius Hunter, Evolution News and Views 11 Comments [12/23/2016 2:32:41 AM]
Fundie Index: 11
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123182

America and the world face a crisis.

It is now estimated that antibiotic resistant infections may kill an estimated 10 million people a year and cost the world’s economies some $100 trillion annually1 by the year 2050. Dr. Margaret Chan of the World Health Organization has recently stated that Earth may be approaching a time “when things as common as strep throat or a child’s scratched knee could once again kill.”

Solutions to this looming crisis must be found and found quickly. As some of America’s leading integrative medicine specialists, we believe it is time to look anew at a modality called homeopathic medicine.

Why homeopathic medicine?

As physicians, we are the first to acknowledge that the diagnostic and surgical tools of conventional medicine are scientific marvels - truly extraordinary and life saving. However, it is also a well-documented fact that many of the drugs currently used by conventional medicine carry risks that are often unacceptable, and in the case of bacterial infections – increasingly ineffective.

Signatories, and tens of thousands of our medical colleagues around the world, have repeatedly used homeopathic medicine to effectively and safely treat patients with a wide range of ailments, including serious, and in some cases, life threatening bacterial and viral infections, without the risk of creating further drug resistant organisms. We reached our decision to employ these medicines after careful experimentation and observation, in search of a drug system that relieved suffering without potential toxic side and after-effects.

Why are we recommending consideration of homeopathic medicine?

Let’s start by looking at what we know about it today

Homeopathic medicine is a 200-year-old system of medicine used by an estimated 500 million people worldwide2. The system relies on medicines made from individual plants, animals and minerals that are serially diluted and vigorously agitated during the manufacturing process. Twelve independent research laboratories in North America, Russia, Europe and Asia have now confirmed that all classically-prepared homeopathic medicines studied contain various nanostructures, including source and silica nanoparticles which are heterogeneously dispersed in colloidal solution 3 4 5 6. The above mentioned laboratories and others have found that homeopathic medicines, like modern engineered nanoparticles, have been found to act by modulating biological function of the allostatic stress response network, including cytokines, oxidative stress and heat shock proteins 7,8. Additionally, there are hundreds of peer-reviewed studies including randomly controlled trials and large observational studies on individual cells, plants, animals and humans, that show homeopathic medicines are exceptionally safe and have measurable and positive biological and therapeutic effects9.

Reliable and extensive clinical and public health records have also been carefully examined internationally, looking for evidence of homeopathic medicine’s efficacy during some of the deadliest epidemics of the past 200 years. The main findings of this research show that when homeopathic medicine was employed during these deadly events, mortality rates were routinely very low. This constancy remained regardless of the homeopathic physician, time, place or type of epidemical disease, including diseases carrying a high mortality rate, such as cholera, smallpox, diphtheria, typhoid fever, yellow fever, influenza and pneumonia10.

Some in the medical community will have reservations about exploring the potential of homeopathic medicine to treat dangerous bacterial infections and will base their objections on two factors: (1) the idea that homeopathic medicines at potencies above 12C contain no active ingredients and, (2) a study published by Shang, et. al. in 2005.

As stated earlier – nanoscientists at 12 independent research labs have now consistently confirmed that all medicines studied contain various nanostructures, including source and silica nanoparticles which are heterogeneously dispersed in colloidal solution – making homeopathic medicine the first known form of nanomedicine. What’s more – we now know from recent discoveries in nanoscience that each remedy manufactured using traditional methods of trituration and vigorous agitation must in fact contain nanostructures. As for the Shang study – it has been repeatedly invalidated by a number of medical researchers as methodologically flawed even within an allopathic medical framework11,12,13,14,15.

Finally – we make this recommendation while knowing that many of our colleagues will feel uncomfortable using homeopathic medicine singly. As a result – we are calling for a collaborative effort to investigate the efficacy of homeopathic medicine in the treatment of patients with these increasingly dangerous infections whereby homeopathic medicine is used only as an adjunct to conventional therapies.

All physicians are bound together by a passion to serve the sick and not by a blind allegiance to any class of drug makers. In the interest of enhancing care, we must set aside tribal divisions that began in the 1840s and come together in unbiased fashion to find solutions to meet the rising tide of antibiotic resistant bacteria that may, in short order, threaten the lives of millions annually.

An Open Letter From Concerned Physicians Regarding Antibiotic Resistance, American Institute of Homeopathy 17 Comments [12/23/2016 2:31:24 AM]
Fundie Index: 12
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123181

The American Institute of Homeopathy applauds the Federal Trade Commission’s (FTC) goal of protecting the American public from false advertising claims, but in a recent circumstance we believe the FTC has overstepped its jurisdictional bounds and promulgated false information in what appears to be a bid to restrict health care choices available to the American public.

In Response to the recent Enforcement Policy Statement1 and a Consumer Information Blog,2 both issued by the FTC on November 15, 2016, the American Institute of Homeopathy registers our strong concern regarding the content of the following inaccurate statements:

“Homeopathy… is based on the view that disease symptoms can be treated by minute doses of substances that produce similar symptoms...”

Homeopathy is not based on a “view” or an opinion. It is based on reliable, reproducible, clinically acquired, empiric evidence gathered through two centuries of corroborated data, assisted by thousands of practitioners worldwide, demonstrating the actions of different medicinal substances in living systems, aka: the science of homeopathy. In fact, the homeopathic scientific community were pioneers of the modern scientific method including the widespread adoption of blinded and placebo controlled studies in 1885, decades before conventional medicine.3

Homeopathy is not based on a theory or on conjecture, but on principles that have been confirmed by long-studied clinical data, meticulously gathered and analyzed over many years.

“Many homeopathic products are diluted to such an extent that they no longer contain detectable levels of the initial substance.”

While the dilution and succussion process of formulating homeopathic medicines does reduce the concentration (and the toxicity) of the original substances, detectable amounts of these materials remain quantifiable in the form of nanoparticles dispersed throughout.4 Multiple independent laboratories, worldwide have confirmed that these nanoparticles persist,5 and that they are biologically active.6 Many other homeopathic products (particularly those sold OTC and described as “low potency”) have dilute amounts of the original substance that remain chemically detectable by straightforward titration.

“…homeopathic product claims are not based on modern scientific methods…”

This statement is false and misleading. The active ingredients within most OTC homeopathic products have hundreds or thousands of case reports from physicians who have used these medicines. These reports of direct clinical experiences establish a collective, real-world dataset that demonstrates which conditions have been observed to respond to treatment. Such historical data is similar to the types of information used to demonstrate effectiveness for many conventional OTC medicines on the market today.

The Homeopathic Pharmacopeia Convention of the United States (HPCUS) maintains a formulary describing the appropriate manufacturing standards for homeopathic medicines. Every homeopathic manufacturer member of the American Association of Homeopathic Pharmacists in good ethical standing complies with both manufacturing and labeling standards set by the HPCUS. Consumers should be cautious when using any products that are not distinguished by conformance with “HPUS” on the label.

“…the case for efficacy is based solely on traditional homeopathic theories…”

This statement is false. Neither homeopathy nor homeopathic efficacy is based on any theories. Efficacy for various homeopathic medicines has been established by scientifically reproducible clinical empiric research evidence and cured patient cases followed over many years. Homeopathy is an evidence-based medical subspecialty rooted in patient care.

“…there are no valid studies using current scientific methods showing the product’s efficacy.”

While this statement may have limited accuracy with respect to some OTC products, it is false and misleading with respect to most homeopathic medicines listed in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. Hundreds of state-of-the-art double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled studies, many in peer-reviewed journals, demonstrate the superior efficacy of homeopathic medicines in a wide range of conditions, including asthma,7 depression and anxiety,8 chronic illness,9 allergic rhinitis,10 hypertension,11 headaches/migraines,12 sepsis,13 mild traumatic brain injury,14 otitis media,15 cancer,16 and many other conditions. The American Institute of Homeopathy maintains and continually updates an extensive database, available free to the public, with over 6,000 research articles.17

Multiple meta-analyses published in peer reviewed medical journals that conclude that homeopathic medicine effects are superior to placebo and that additional study of this therapeutic system is warranted.18,19,20,21,22,23 To that end, we encourage the National Institutes of Health to reverse their current position of blocking funding for homeopathic trials.24

“…marketing claims that such homeopathic products have a therapeutic effect lack a reasonable basis and are likely misleading…”

The conclusion of whether a product has a “reasonable basis” is entirely irrelevant if that product has demonstrable clinical effectiveness. The important question, when it comes to homeopathy, is whether it is effective in clinical settings, not whether it has a “reasonable basis” for how it works. The mechanism by which homeopathy works differs from conventional medicines, but this fact does not make these products “misleading”.

Several recent class-action lawsuits brought against homeopathic manufacturers confirm that marketing practices were neither deceptive nor misleading.25

The FTC’s inability to formulate a reasonable basis for why homeopathic medicines work should not enter into any governmental enforcement policy statement. The FTC is not a medical organization, lacks expertise in interpreting scientific research, and is not qualified to make any comment on the validity of any field of medicine. To be less misleading, the FTC should exclude opinions from its policy statements.

“Homeopathy: Not backed by modern science”

Homeopathy, as a system of medicine, does not fall under the purview of the FTC. Therefore, the FTC has been reckless in expressing an opinion of this magnitude. In this situation, the FTC’s comments can only be construed as being prejudicially biased and intentionally discriminatory against homeopathy. Such statements cause unwarranted harm to public trust and damage to a respected traditional system of medicine in the United States.

The American Institute of Homeopathy strongly objects to the FTC’s characterization of the entire field of homeopathic medicine as being without scientific evidence of efficacy. These comments are unqualified and wholly lacking in merit. The release of this Enforcement Policy Statement serves only to align the FTC with several recently released scientifically fraudulent reports by a variety of pseudoscientists and lowers the credibility of this valued consumer protection agency.

This type of misinformation should be embarrassing to a government organization striving to be nonpartisan and objective. The FTC owes an apology to the American Institute of Homeopathy as well as the many consumer groups that look toward this agency for fair and accurate information.

Letter to FTC in Response to Statement on Homeopathy, American Institute of Homeopathy 10 Comments [12/23/2016 2:28:58 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123175

Humanity Is Inherently Evil

Looks are everything, if you are not good looking or even average, if you are below average just lol, you are gonna be punished for your looks in every single social interaction, you will get falio effected so hard its not even a joke. Women don't want to fuck you, even be your friend, guys don't want to be friends with you, won't invite you to cool places, people just don't care, in the eyes of society you are expendable and worthless. The funny thing is you all do it one time or another, especially women, but you don't care each and every one of you reward good looking people for being attractive, and punish ugly people for being unattractive, we all do it subconciously, so in the end what hope do ugly men have other than death, where they can finally find peace. There is no hope, no rewards, only a lifetime of suffering awaiting unattractive people and in the end, they can die, and it will be fine, nobody will care society will go on. The fact we pick good looking people over actually good people shows just how blatently unfair and cruel, nature is, humanity does not exist, we are all just animals at the end of the day, humanity implies we are humane, but it is inhumane to gift attractive people with love and curse unattractive people with hate, and alieation. Humans are truly shit, and unattractive men like me have to suffer for it, but people don't care, what profit is there helping unattractive people, when attractive people are smarter, more successful, more wealthier and more easier on the eye. Let's just maintain the status quo, let's continue treating unattractive people like dirt, and all is well, we are such great human beings, such good people.


livinginpain101, /r/incels 19 Comments [12/23/2016 2:28:28 AM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Cats suck at being cats

I wish Mookitty would be more kitty for me

Quote# 123174

Women suck at being women

Yes, women have a lot of privileges and legions of men ready to serve them, but they also have their biggest enemy, themselves. Their masochistic nature, lack of judgment, and irrational thinking (especially when it comes to sex) make them unable to significantly use the power that is constantly given to them. In fact they are the happiest when someone takes all the power away from them, if that someone is Chad. All the things they cry and complain about is their own doing and result of their own failures.

I'm not talking about our interest here at all, I am talking about pure female self interest which they obsessively want to satisfy, yet fail miserably at despite everyone trying to help them. In this current social setting, if suddenly women got male brains, they would absolutely be able to have fantasy lifestyles and make the most of it. Women think they want fantasy lifestyles, women have society trying to provide it for them, yet women just aren't able to obtain it.

I guess since female species evolved to give birth, masochism had to be an inherent trait and that is why most of them choose options that harm them and are only excited when experiencing emotional drama and suffering. They are not self aware enough so they complain about the very things they can use to their advantage and are constantly stuck fighting a battle between what they want and what they like to say they want.

And still, men look up to this and work their hardest to please them. Normies exist just because of women. The idols are creatures who want nothing more but to have someone else rule and spit on them, while simultaneously fighting for power. It's completely absurd. You can't please that when they can't find satisfaction in satisfaction.

StAliaHarkonnen, /r/incels 17 Comments [12/23/2016 2:26:27 AM]
Fundie Index: 11
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 123168

This week, “She Stole My Voice: A Documentary About Lesbian Rape” was released, to much fanfare. Feminists and liberals can’t seem to stop talking about this film, and I am sure just as many men watched the film just to view the explicit lesbian rape scenes.

I, for one, do not think that “She Stole My Voice: A Documentary About Lesbian Rape” is the greatest thing since electricity. In fact, my disgust with this film has prompted me to make my first web page.

I am not one of those who say that lesbian rape does not exist. I am saying that society has no responsibility to try to stop it. Those who choose to live a degenerate, homosexual lifestyle should receive no assistance from law enforcement, or support from the rest of the community.

Because, when it comes down to it, homosexuality is a choice. Perhaps god and nature give you certain desires. But it is up to you whether or not you act on them. And if you choose to leave decent society in favor of a world of degeneracy, you can’t be too surprised when bad things happen.

To use an analogy, suppose some women developed a hobby where they would go lie down naked in the most dangerous parts of town. Wouldn’t they share some of the responsibility for what happened to them?

Homosexuality is no different. When you choose to live that kind of life, you yourself are responsible for the bad things that happen. Lesbian rape may exist. But it would stop existing if homosexuals learned to control their desires and to live a decent life.

-Peter R.C. Armstrong

Peter R.C. Armstrong, Geocities 17 Comments [12/23/2016 2:25:03 AM]
Fundie Index: 14
Submitted By: JeanP
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 14 | top