Quote# 108397

(on homosexuality)

Just that it's a perversion.
You just can't impregnate a turd.

The Last Trump, Christian News Network 18 Comments [5/7/2015 2:39:12 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 108395



Apparently, all that many most of America’s most prominent “conservative Christian leaders” need to know when it comes to determining the gender of Bruce Jenner is what Bruce Jenner says it is. If Jenner says he’s a woman, then, by golly, he’s a woman!

So what if Jenner claims to be Napoleon?

Or a tomato?

Or both?

Well then, in that case, it seems clear now that by the “conservative Christian logic” employed by the likes of Rick Santorum, Jenner would then be a Napoleonic tomato woman.

The tragic/comedic reality as to what counts for “conservative Christian” perspectives and principles in America these days was once again highlighted by recent coverage of comments made by one of the many American “conservative Christian leaders” who is all about helping likeminded “conservative Christians” to remember that we must always be willing to set aside the crystal clarity of Scripture and rely on good ol’ secular pragmatism in order to get things done here in “the real world”.

[...]

Rick is being loving.

He’s being kind.

He’s just doin’ what has to be done to get votes and keep “conservatism” viable in America, dontcha know.

And if you don’t agree with his loving, strategic capitulation on actual Christian principles as defined by Christ in His Word, well, then you’re not being a very good Christian…as most modern American “conservative Christian leaders” define such things, anyway. And you probably hate children, kittens and bunny rabbits, too.
You see, if you really loved Jenner – and America – you’d just let him be a woman.

Or Napoleon.

Or a tomato.

Or whatever.

To deny his claim to Napoleonic tomato-womanhood would be a crime against American-style freedom, liberty, and love, you see.

This is what happens to language, gender, family, patriotism and conservatism when we refuse to submit them to the Nature of God as revealed in His Word as our actual standard for testing all claims and concepts.

This is the kind of “leadership” that we are justly punished with when our itching little ears desire anything but the call to repentance and submission to Christ as King in practice in every realm of our lives.

This is the kind of delusional, destructive approach to “the real world” that we can expect to continue from our “good conservative Christian leaders” until we repent, believe, and reject the replacement of God’s Word with secular pragmatism in the name of satanic “love”.

Until and unless we repent and believe upon the Word of God as our guide to all of real world life in practice, the judgment of God will (and should) continue to pour out upon us, bringing us more “Republican Christian women” like Bruce Jenner and more “conservative Christian leaders” like Rick Santorum.

Scott Alan Buss, Fire Breathing Christian 29 Comments [5/7/2015 2:29:29 AM]
Fundie Index: 9
Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 108394

[Discourse on a failed Christian shoemaker's game called "Kill the Faggot". Bolding mine.]

One can be afraid of gay people without being hateful or a bigot. That is, if he is actually referring to fear of gay people and not the bastardized colloquial meaning. One can even dislike (the colloquial meaning) people without being hateful or a bigot.

Hell, I wouldn't even label him a bigot for this over-the-top production. On its own, at least. He very well could be. And probably is. But you aren't automatically a bigot if you dislike an aspect of people. I'm pretty solidly against tattoos, but I'm certainly not unfairly disliking people with tattoos.

vlam, Ars Technica 14 Comments [5/7/2015 2:28:09 AM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Slaanesh

Quote# 108393

FACT: THE WORLD IS ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH W.W.III AND THE BIBLE CODE SAYS THIS WAR WILL START BEFORE 28 SEPT 2015 AND TRIGGER THE APOCALYPSE.

THE CHURCHES ARE A MESS, RIDDLED WITH FALSEHOOD AND HYPOCRISY, THE ABUSE OF LYING TO CHILDREN ABOUT SANTA, DEFENDING THE RACISM AND HOMO-HATRED OF DUCK DY-NASTY, TRINITY, OSAS,'FALSE RAPTURE VIEWS AND ON AND ON AND ON...

THE BIBLE CODE TELLS PASTOR HARRY TO MOVE TO UTAH (SALT LAKE CITY) AND START GOD'S TRUE CHURCH, BASED UPON JESUS AS "THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD", JESUS AS THE TRUE SON = - BEGOT- CLONED - BORN- "BROUGHT-INTO EXISTANCE" BY GOD-THE FATHER HIMSELF. THIS IS THE TRUE CHURCH THAT JESUS CAME TO BUILD, THE CHURCH THAT WILL HAVE POWER OVER THE 'GATES OF HELL".(MT:16:16-18).

WITH THIS TRUE CHURCH, WE WOULD SEE A FLOOD OF MIRACLES, HEALINGS AND WONDERS AS WE ONLY READ OF IN THE BIBLE. AT LEAST ONE MILLION CHRISTIANS WOULD REPENT AND DEVELOP A WORTHY WALK WITH GOD AND MAKE HEAVEN IN THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES.

FOR THIS SCENARIO TO HAPPEN, GOD WOULD HAVE TO STRIKE IRAN WITH DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKES TO DESTROY THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM... A SERIES OF DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKES WOULD ALSO HAVE TO STRIKE SYRIA AND POSSIBLY EGYPT AS WELL

RUSSIA AND CHINA MAY BE HIT WITH DISASTERS AS WELL TO KEEP THEM "BUSY" FOR A SMALL SPACE OF TIME

ONLY GOD KNOWS IF THIS RESPITE AND TIME OF MIRACLES WOULD BEAR ENOUGH "FRUIT" (WORTHY BELIEVERS) TO BALANCE OUT THE DESTRUCTION AND LOSS OF LIFE NEEDED TO PUSH BACK THE "DOOMSDAY CLOCK" FOR THIS FINAL CHURCH- MOVE OF GOD.

FOR ONE MILLION BELIEVERS TO REPENT, AND MAKE
THEIR WALK WITH GOD "ACCOUNTED WORTHY" IT IS
WORTH THE DESTRUCTION, FOR A "HANDFUL" IT IS NOT
FOR THEY CAN REPENT- DURING THE TRIBULATION.

SO BETWEEN JAN 01 2014 AND SEPT 25 2014= THE HEBREW NEW YEAR OF 5774, WE SHALL EITHER SEE: W.W.III AND THE APOCALYPSE OR JESUS' TRUE CHURCH BUILT WITH A BRIEF TIME OF MIRACLES AND HEALINGS AS NEVER BEFORE".

"WATCH AND BE READY"...

Pastor Harry Walther, Satan's Rapture 18 Comments [5/7/2015 2:27:18 AM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 108392

THE BIBLE CODE SHOWS TWO PATHS FOR 2015, 5775 (Hebrew Calendar),
MEGA LOTTERY WIN OR APOCALYPSE

1). THE BIBLE CODE HAS MY NAME "HARRY WALTHER" ENCODED WITH "RAPTURE" AND "5774" OR 2014. THEN THE BIBLE CODE SKIPS THE YEARS 2015, 2016 AND 2017 AND AGAIN ENCODED "RAPTURE" WITH 2018 (5778).

THIS SHOWS ME IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE A BRIEF RESPITE, A SHORT SPACE TO RESTART JESUS' LOST CHURCH AND HELP TO MAKE A WORTHY "REMNANT" WORTHY AND READY FOR THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES.

2). BIBLE CODE SHOWS PASTOR HARRY (WALTHER) TO WIN
A MEGA LOTTERY= DURING THE FOUR BLOOD MOON
ECLIPSES = APRIL 15 2014 TO SEPT 28 2015 AND
RESTART JESUS' LOST CHURCH- BASED UPON JESUS
AS THE "CHRIST", THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD"
(NOT THE FALSE ROMAN TRINITY OF 325 AD)
AND RELEASE THE POWER OF GOD AS A FLOOD OF
HEALINGS, MIRACLES, SIGNS AND WONDERS
BEFORE THE START OF THE APOCALYPSE.

THERE ARE TWO PATHS, TWO OPTIONS FOR
GOD AND HIS WORLD FOR THE YEAR 2015 AD

1) ISRAEL WILL BE FORCED TO BOMB IRAN TO END THEIR NUCLEAR THREAT AND THIS WILL TRIGGER W.W.III AND THE START OF THE BIBLICAL APOCALYPSE OR

2) GOD WILL INTERVENE IN A SPECIAL WAY, PASTOR HARRY WILL WIN A MEGA LOTTERY AND RESTART JESUS' LOST CHURCH AND RELEASE THE POWER OF GOD... WITH A SERIES OF DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKES DESTROYING IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM

Pastor Harry Walther, Satan's Rapture 23 Comments [5/7/2015 2:27:11 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 108391

IF IT LOOKS LIKE GOD COULD BE WAITING UNTIL THE VERY LAST "MOMENT" FOR PASTOR HARRY TO WIN THIS BIBLE CODE LOTTERY- HE IS! REMEMBER... GOD WAITED UNTIL THE VERY LAST "MOMENT" TO PART THE RED SEA AND ALLOW THE ISRAELITES TO RUN THRU A MIRACLE TO SAFETY... AS THE EGYPTIAN CHARIOTS WERE GETTING SO CLOSE THE ISRAELITES COULD HEAR THE HOOFBEATS AND CHARIOT WHEELS APPROACHING THEM.

THERE ARE 8 BIBLE CODES THAT SAY: "HARRY WALTHER - PROPHET OF GOD"- MEGA LOTTERY", THERE ARE 192 BIBLE CODES THAT SAY: "HARRY- PROPHET OF THE LORD GOD"- MEGA LOTTERY"- ADAR - RESPITE - MIRACLES- HEALINGS", AND 152 CODES ABOUT THIS "ARK-CHURCH". COMPARE THIS WITH 30 CODES FOR "OBAMA- PRESIDENT", 18 CODES FOR THE "FUKISHIMA" DISASTER, COUNTLESS CODES SHOWING "EARTHQUAKE-IRAN" AND 5 CODES FOR "TIM TEBOW" - NFL - FOOLISH" (FOR HIS PUBLIC DISPLAY OF WORSHIP THAT JESUS CONDEMNS IN HIS GOSPEL).

note: BIBLE PROPHECY IS 100 PERCENT ACCURATE WHILE THE BIBLE CODE IS NO MORE THAN 50 PERCENT ACCURATE IN PREDICTING THE FUTURE. MANY CODES ARE THERE FOR PREVENTION SUCH AS TERROR ATTACKS AND OTHER FUTURE CODES SHOW HIGH POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN. AS FAR AS MY LOTTERY CODES, TWO HAVE FAILED FOR 2010 AND 2012 AND ONE LOTTERY CODE EXISTS FOR 2013.

PASTOR HARRY MADE HISTORY WHEN HE USED THE BIBLE CODE TO PREDICT A FUTURE EVENT, THAT ON 3-31, THE MEGA MILLIONS LOTTERY WOULD BE THE HIGHEST IN HISTORY AND WON AND IT WAS @ $646 MM MILLION DOLLARS. PASTOR HARRY DID NOT WIN THIS BIBLE CODE LOTTERY.. YET THERE IS ONE BIBLE CODE LOTTERY, ONE LAST CHANCE FOR PASTOR HARRY TO WIN THE LOTTERY, RESTART JESUS' TRUE CHURCH AND RELEASE THE POWER OF GOD AS AN EARTHQUAKE DESTROYS IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND PUSHES BACK THE "DOOMSDAY" CLOCK FOR THIS TIME OF MIRACLES, HEALINGS AND TRUTH TO HAPPEN... OR APOCALYPSE 2013.

Pastor Harry Walther, Satan's Rapture 12 Comments [5/7/2015 2:27:07 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 108390

A public university is selling an anti-hysteria kit comprising everyday items like chopsticks, salt, lime, vinegar, pepper spray, and formic acid for a whopping RM8,750 that it claims can ward off “evil spirits”.

Several local Malay dailies reported today Universiti Malaysia Pahang (UMP) as saying that the kit, which took three years to produce, was created to address hysteria afflicting young students, typically a condition of exaggerated or uncontrollable emotions.

“In the Quran and the hadith, it has been stated that these spirits are unable to tolerate salty, sour and spicy items,” UMP vice-chancellor Datuk Dr Daing Nasir Ibrahim was quoted saying in Berita Harian, listing salt, lime, vinegar and black pepper as examples.

Daing said that the chopsticks will be used to “press down” the fingers of hysteria victims, whereas the formic acid will function like hot water to be poured around at spots where the spirits lurk.

At a press conference to launch the product at the Education Ministry's office in Putrajaya yesterday, Daing reportedly told a press conference that three of the institution's researchers, as well as one Islamic medicine expert from the Manarah Islamic Treatment Centre, were roped in for the project with test runs already completed at 11 schools.

“The items in the kit have long been used for treatment purposes. We just gave it a little edge to make it easier,” Daing said, adding that the product is also shariah compliant and free from any deviant elements.

The RM 8,750 pricing for the kit includes training for two on its usage, expert treatment services should there be no improvement in one's condition, further treatment for chronic cases, three refills for items in the kit, a ceramah session, risk management costs and online consultation services.

The varsity is also mulling establishing an Islamic medicinal lab to expand its academic and scientific research into the matter.

This is not the first time UMP has snatched headlines for its apparent interest and research in supernatural elements.

In March, through its Committee for Advanced Studies in Witchcraft Law, the university formulated a Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) to combat the use of witchcraft.

Universiti Malaysia Pahang , The Malay Mail Online 16 Comments [5/7/2015 2:27:01 AM]
Fundie Index: 8

Quote# 108387

(during a tangent about genocide of native Americans in the 1800s, unrelated to the main discussion)

We taught the Native Americans Christian values and saved them from their separation from God. We also gave them vast tracts of free land where they could govern themselves. How is that "genocide"?

Bachmann America, Nationstates 53 Comments [5/6/2015 3:15:26 AM]
Fundie Index: 37
Submitted By: Zyr

Quote# 108386

There are people out there who suffer with extreme mental retardation on a daily basis. Sadly, most of these poor souls are left without proper treatment, simply because their symptoms are not recognized as a sign of the severe mental disorder they clearly have. I urge the American Psychological Association (APA) to classify radical feminism as a sign of severe mental retardation and any other associated disorder. It's time we get these poor, deluded souls the help they so desperately need.

Guy Hussein, Change.org 25 Comments [5/6/2015 3:15:12 AM]
Fundie Index: 22

Quote# 108382

Zeena LaVey, the daughter of the Church of Satan's Anton LaVey, is known as the strongest proponent of the Satanic doctrine and writes:

"As a Satanic consultant, I have had to re-educate many a newcomer to the true meaning of witchcraft, a meaning opposed to the pervasive Wiccan "good witch" syndrome.... The woman who grasps and fully understands the mastery of the world inherent in this books Satanic teachings will usher in a true feminism: the liberation of the demonic in every woman."

There are some 80,000 persons practicing white magic in the United States, with 6,000 in Chicago alone. Some of this is a fad. But unfortunately, much of it isn't. Murder after murder has been linked to this craze, with the murderers openly admitting to police or to reporters that they worshipped Satan. Police, more and more frequently are finding grim evidence of both animal and human sacrifice.

Jason Kovar, Hollywood Unmasked 34 Comments [5/6/2015 3:13:28 AM]
Fundie Index: 12
Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 108381

[Fundie warns of deadly danger of non-Catholic environmentalists.]


Catholic teaching on this subject is profoundly different from pagan-inspired environmentalism. Catholic environmentalism is Christ-centered, not earth-centered; the Church teaches that Christians are called to protect the environment because caring for creation is part of God’s plan for salvation. The pagan, in contrast, disregards Christian theology, and sees environmentalism as a way to exalt Mother Nature over everything else. And since pagans view children as mortal threats to the environment, they have tried to suppress their numbers through aggressive population control and abortion: Humanity must be sacrificed to pay heed to the pagan gods.

The Pope’s message is clear: Christians are the ones who should be taking the lead in environmental concerns; otherwise, the movement will be dominated by wayward “green” secularists. The Pope has made a similar point against Marxists, in their efforts to hijack and distort Christianity’s teachings about the poor.

Francis has repeatedly lashed out at paganism’s immoral efforts to thwart the will of God by pushing contraception, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia and gender theory—comparing the latter to nuclear war, and even to Nazi efforts to corrupt the young through the Hitler Youth movement.

The danger of modern paganism is not an overblown fear by faithful Christians—historically, when it has been ignored, it has led to ruin and disaster. As Karla Poewe shows in her brilliant work, New Religions and the Nazis, it was precisely this evil conception of man which corrupted so many Christians into embracing the anti-Semitic Nazi creed, even as it had no connection to the Bible:

By blaming anti-Semitism on Christianity, scholars have badly misled their readers. In nineteenth and early twentieth century Germany it was not Christianity that was, nor Christians who were by virtue of their faith, anti-Semitic. Rather it was neo-pagans both within and without the Church, who had an intense dislike of Christianity precisely because it was Semitic.

Today, the menace of paganism is not as overt and extreme, but it is every bit as deadly to souls, in its subtle effort to appropriate and destroy Christian faith under the guise of helping the poor, the earth, or promoting sexual responsibility.

William Doino Jr., first things 18 Comments [5/6/2015 3:13:11 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 108377

Writing about Charlie Hebdow shooting:

While there was an outpouring of condemnation of the indefensible massacre across the Muslim world, another question arose: Why were the cartoonists fixated on Muhammad (peace be upon him) who is held in the greatest honor by 1.8 billion Muslims? What purpose is there to distort and disrespect him in the name of freedom of speech? Who in his rightful mind would stoop that low to satirically assault such a noble person?

Satire is the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. Does God’s final Messenger deserve this ridicule and mockery? The answer is simply no. Either the satirists do not have any knowledge of the real, historically documented prophet of Islam or they are guilty of barefaced bigotry and xenophobic hatred.


Islamic Circle of North America, icna.com 36 Comments [5/6/2015 2:58:12 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 108371

Where are the totalitarian Christian governments? Where are the misogynist Christian nations? Where are the homophobic Christian governments?

It seems to me that nations which have the most Christians are the nations that are the most free, most kind to women, least homophobic, and least violent. The rest of the world clamours to get into these nations.

Diana Lesperance, The Narrow Way 43 Comments [5/6/2015 2:55:45 AM]
Fundie Index: 11
Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 108368

"Fascism" is the name that moderns use to describe the style of organized, leadership-oriented government that predominated in ancient times, and to which all healthy societies return, knowing that of the ways of handling human frailty, the best is a system which selects the least frail and pushes it forward; the alternative, seen in modern liberal democracy, is a system which accepts human failings but then tries to impose upon them a "good" way of life.

A.N.U.S., American Nihilist Underground Society 24 Comments [5/6/2015 2:54:27 AM]
Fundie Index: 13

Quote# 108366

Were women meant to serve men?

As a woman I know it is true
Many times in my life I wanted to rebel against everything - politics, parents, people around me, society in a whole. But one thing I never argued about is: men are here to protect and support us women and I must respect that. We expect of them to bring us food, cash, to take us everywhere and to make us feel safe. They do all of that. And what did women do? Tried to make them feel bad because they do it! Why? I want them to do it for me. They are stronger and they have higher payed jobs. I read that their IQ is higher. I don't know if its true but men are usually much more educated so maybe it is. In any case, I love the fact they don't expect me to do anything, I don't have to work, to go to schools...Only thing I have to do is to give them pleasure. To listen to them and respect their command. It is not hard! We all love a strong dominant man and you know it! I love when they demand and I love to serve them because it is in my nature. In life and in sex. It gives me pleasure to serve a man in any way because then I feel great when he is satisfied. Then he will give me whatever I ask. Money, holidays... Just listen to his simple wish - and obey! Even in the Bible it says so. I maybe dont have schools but I know what is in the most important book and it says we are here to serve men! Like it or not you must learn that, it is better for you.

Andrea_Fufy, Debate.org 31 Comments [5/6/2015 2:52:33 AM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 108365

I was going to say that the gay community must have just been all over GoFundMe with their hate and intolerance.
And then I read, "Administrators had been "urged" by homosexual advocates to have the campaign removed"
Nuff said. The "tolerant" strike again.
It's not enough for these hateful bigots to just destroy people.
They have to deny them any help as well.
LGBT for you. Just plain UGLY.

The Last Trump, Christian News Network 10 Comments [5/6/2015 2:52:21 AM]
Fundie Index: 2

Quote# 108364

Do you believe the people of Nepal were punished for their disbelief?

As title states.

Personally yes.

bringeroftruth, ummah.com 11 Comments [5/6/2015 2:51:17 AM]
Fundie Index: 9
Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 108363



Australian Vaccination Network, Facebook 29 Comments [5/6/2015 2:49:18 AM]
Fundie Index: 19
Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 108358

So you, Mr Simon Singh have founded a 'charity' that's Mission Statement is to:

"To encourage curious minds and promote rational enquiry" 1.

And do you know what you're proposing to do with that charity's funds? Which stand at £43,000+ 2.

Use it to force various health authorities to stop funding homeopathic treatment, which, incidentally, represents LESS than 1% of the total NHS funding.

If you get your evil way, you will put out of business the three remaining homeopathic hospitals, who do REALLY good work with clients/patients that CAN'T be helped by conventional medicine.

Bollocks to rationality, you shouldn't use it when it comes to discussing people's health.

People want compassion, care, warmheartedness, mindfulness, helpfulness....and various other emotional help when they're ill, not 'rational debate'....since when did rational enquiry ever fix a broken leg, or repair a heart attack or sort out someone's depression, or ME or ADHD, or make them feel better or recover?

Mary English , Homeopathic Pasifist  38 Comments [5/5/2015 2:43:48 AM]
Fundie Index: 27
Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 108356

Without a doubt, cats and dogs can be vegan. Over our many years in business, we have heard countless success stories from people whose companion animals have transitioned to a vegan diet and have been happy and healthy the entire time. There is a lot of misinformation out there regarding the various theories and opinions as to why some people insist that it can't be done, but time and time again, people have proven it's not only possible, but many times a better diet than what they'd previously been feeding their companion animals. Regardless of the opinions of the "experts" who are often either misinformed or are basing their ideas on assumptions, we have seen first-hand that for many animals, it is a very healthy diet that they can stay on for their entire lives. All foods we sell are nutritionally complete and contain all the essential proteins, vitamins, minerals and amino acids for cats and dogs to get everything they need for optimal health. The brands we carry are not ones you need to add additional supplements to in order for them to be nutritionally complete.

Of course, animals are like people - each one is different, and just as how some people can change from one diet to another easily, others may not find it to be as simple. Each cat (and dog) needs to be treated on a case-by-case basis for how well they adapt to the diet - some will be able to go 100% vegan quickly and easily and will thrive on it, others may need a more cautious approach that is slow to change over, with some cats possibly doing best with only a partially vegan diet (please read our FAQ section for more details). We have never heard of a cat or dog who did not do well on at least a partially vegan diet, so if you're concerned about a full transition, it may be best to start with a 50/50 balance of vegan and non-vegan food initially. Of course, most of you who are reading this are wanting to go with a 100% vegan diet, which is quite fine, but please be sure to read over our FAQ section to see all the details regarding our recommendations for a change in diet toward veganism. There's a good deal of useful information there to help make the change over as smooth and worry-free as possible.

Every bit of change toward a vegan diet for your cats and dogs reduces their dependance on slaughterhouse by-products, and in turn, reduces overall demand for the consumption of animal-based products. Even if you decide to only give your companions a partially vegan diet, it still makes a big difference over time when you add up all the meat-based foods that they're no longer eating, so even small steps make a huge difference!

Courtney Ernster and Ryan Wilson, VeganCats.com 65 Comments [5/5/2015 2:41:50 AM]
Fundie Index: 29

Quote# 108355

While insisting that the concept of marital rape does not exist in Islam, religious scholars say it is sinful for a Muslim man to force his wife to have sex when she is ill or menstruating.

Perak Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria said that men can always have sexual intercourse with their spouses even if the latter do not agree, saying that a Muslim woman has “no right” to reject her husband’s demand.

“Even the Prophet says even when they’re riding on the back of the camel, when the husband asks her, she must give.

“So there’s no such thing as rape in marriage. This is made by European people, why should we follow?” he told Malay Mail Online when contacted yesterday as he cited the hadith or reported teachings of Prophet Muhammad.

Harussani claimed that Europe itself did not regard women highly before creating the concept of marital rape after the 18th century when Europeans came into contact with the Muslims and were attempting to improve Islamic laws.

According to Harussani, a woman’s agreement to marry will be sought when her father gives her away to a man in marriage. Subsequently, she can only refuse her husband sex if she is menstruating, sick, or has just given birth, he said.

“Once she got married, the dowry is paid, she can’t refuse unless when she’s [on her] period,” he said, saying that the Quran clearly states that it will be “haram” or forbidden to have a sexual intercourse with a woman who is menstruating.

Independent Muslim preacher Wan Ji Wan Hussin said that rape is defined in Islam as an act between two unmarried individuals.

“That term (marital rape) is not accurate in the practice of Islam because rape in Islam is defined as forced sexual intercourse outside of marriage,” he told Malay Mail Online when contacted yesterday.

While stating that husbands cannot force their wives to have sex, he said the key issue is not about getting consent, but revolves around how men can show love and create a romantic atmosphere to change their spouses’ minds to willingly agree to sexual intercourse.

“That means if the husband does not seek consent, it cannot be considered rape, but that action is considered not polite (beradab) in Islam,” he said, adding that it would not be considered “haram” or sinful, but would be “makruh” or frowned upon by Islam.

Wan Ji said women have the right to refuse sex when they are either sick, menstruating or old, insisting that men having sex in such cases are considered sinful.

During the fasting month for Muslims, both men and women are not allowed to have sexual intercourse and wives must reject such requests by their husbands, he said.

Women may opt to either turn down their husbands’ requests or cancel their fast during optional and additional fasting days, he said, adding that women can even refuse sexual intercourse if they are in a bad mood or were exhausted from work.

Both Harussani and Wan Ji said that using violence to force a wife to have sexual intercourse would be clearly criminal, with the former saying that the wife can call the police or a religious judge as it would be an offence in both the civil and Shariah legal systems.

Wan Ji said the use of actual violence would fall under the “qisas” system of Islamic offences that would allow retributive punishments, explaining that the threat to harm a wife would not be an offence but would be considered a sin as it could affect her emotions.

In Malaysia, marital rape is not a legal offence, but a husband may be prosecuted and imprisoned up to five years for forcing his wife to have sex by threatening violence or by harming her.

Following the launch of DAP lawmaker Yeo Bee Yin’s joint rape awareness campaign with the All Women’s Action Society (AWAM) last week, some Muslims have disagreed with a poster that said “Without her consent, it is rape. No excuse” and claimed that rape does not exist in the context of Islamic marriage.

Perak Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria & Wan Ji Wan Hussin, Malay Mail Online 22 Comments [5/5/2015 2:41:40 AM]
Fundie Index: 14

Quote# 108353



AskDrBrown, Facebook 74 Comments [5/5/2015 2:06:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 16
Submitted By: Ibuki Mioda

Quote# 108351

[Man shouts "English only" at Spanish translator at kindergarten concert]

That is right. They are invading our country and then trying to oppress us on top , and shut us up. " Kneel slave. ", "Bow slave". "Eat dirt slave cause we will take over your country and you will speak our foreign language like it or not. " And there are brain washed US traitors defending changing our langauage.This is to the downfall too of these American traitors. They are naive..Helping people is good , but not if you step all over fellow citizens to do so.

Lolly, KCCI 25 Comments [5/5/2015 2:02:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 17

Quote# 108348

[Should rape be illegal?]

Of course not

Rape is completely natural. It happens between animals all the time. Our bodies, particularly women's, were made to attract mates sexually. It's an impulse beyond our control. When I was raped, it was a terrible experience I wouldn't wish on anyone, but I still believe it should be legal. Even when I was being raped, even though it was most certainly something I never want to experience again, it was still sexually pleasing which to me seems like a natural compensation. Eventually I got over it, as well everyone should. I mean it's not nearly as bad as murder, which could easily have happened instead.

OLevasque, Debate.org 37 Comments [5/5/2015 2:00:49 AM]
Fundie Index: 58
Submitted By: TheReasonator

Quote# 108347

In 2012, I liked Santorum better than many of the others.

But this is stupid. It's NOT a tough issue. Transgenders are mentally ill people who think paying someone to mutilate them will make them happy. And, statistically, this almost never is the outcome.

Got a Y chromosome? Then you're a man. End of story. Trying to change that is a crime.

It's a crime against the self. A crime against humanity. A crime against God. If you're on the wrong side on this one, there is no way I can say a kind word in your favor. Sorry, Santorum.

ClearCase_guy, Free Republic 31 Comments [5/4/2015 3:30:06 AM]
Fundie Index: 28
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