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Quote# 107778

"I haven't experienced anything that the hearsay has (claimed), so why would I communicate something that wasn't true for me?" Travolta said. "It wouldn't make sense, nor would it for Tom, I imagine."

Travolta called Going Clear a product of "people who were disgruntled with their experiences" with Scientology, while the church "has been nothing but brilliant for me."

"I've been so happy with my (Scientology) experience in the last 40 years," he said, "that I really don't have anything to say that would shed light on (a documentary) so decidedly negative.

"I've been brought through storms that were insurmountable, and (Scientology has) been so beautiful for me, that I can't even imagine attacking it...."

The two-time Oscar nominee claimed to have used Scientology to aid others in crisis, another reason he won't see Going Clear.

"I've helped so many people through hard times," Travolta said. "Loss of children, loved ones, physical illnesses. Through many tough, tough life situations I've used the technology to support them and help them. It's always worked.

"So, why would I even approach a negative perspective? That would be a crime to me, personally, to do that."

Travolta, 61, keeps a primary residence in Ocala, often visiting Clearwater for Scientology training at the church's headquarters. Five days a week, when he isn't making a movie somewhere too far away to commute.

John Travolta, Tampa Bay Times 33 Comments [4/11/2015 5:30:34 AM]
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Quote# 107774

The internal logic of Bake For Them Two would also fail if applied to a number of other controversial topics that progressive Christians tend to protest against. Take spanking. Should someone who believes that spanking is immoral agree to babysit for a parent who spanked their children and instructed the babysitter to do likewise? Would carrying out corporal punishment on behalf of the parent amount to a “bake for them two” moment, a chance to sacrifice personal comfort to accommodate someone else? If you say no, then already you’ve granted the existence of moral dilemmas in which accommodation is not a sufficient option. “But spanking is abuse, and same-sex relationships don’t harm anyone.” That’s the point, though: If same-sex marriage is what the Christian baker says it is, then to him, the wedding ceremony is indeed harmful to the couple and others. The only way around this problem is to advance a clear moral proposition (“Same-sex marriage is good”), the very thing that opponents of religious liberty laws say shouldn’t happen in a public exchange.

My guess though is that the Christians who favor a “bake for them two” approach don’t track with this logic for the same reason they don’t track with most critiques of same-sex marriage in general: They actually don’t quite understand what they support. This was the point brought out brilliantly by my friend Matthew Anderson in a piece from yesterday about the “illiberal DNA” of the same-sex marriage movement. Matt begins by supposing marriage is indeed unchangeable in its definition and irreducible in its purpose (=the traditionalist Christian argument). Given that, would not a floor-to-ceiling revolution in our understanding of something as foundational as marriage require absolute enforcement in almost every aspect of our culture?

Erasing or obscuring the moral uniqueness of the traditional nuclear family unit—if there is one— would require, dare I say, both an extensive and elaborate artifice that attempted to reconfigure not simply the family, but all those institutions which the family has some bearing upon. Maintaining such a support would require the most powerful and influential institutions in American life, of which there are currently (by way of hypothesis) three: entertainment, business, and the government. And as long as those dominant institutions established such an outlook on the world, any remaining institutions would come under significant pressure to reform themselves accordingly.

In other words, you cannot believe that marriage is X without also believing it’s not Y. Conversely, there’s no future for trying to make marriage equal X + Y if X and Y actually say opposite things which yield opposite effects in every aspect of our public and–yes–personal life.

What does it all mean? It means that anywhere there is belief, there will be conscience, and that changes to one will alter the other eventually. Wherever people believe in their own heart that marriage is invented by God and exists only in a covenantal state between a man and a woman, their conscience will follow suit and apply that belief in practical ways to their living and their doing. Asking people to surrender their public conscience is the same as asking them to change their beliefs. Of course, beliefs change without being forced. People become convinced otherwise, or they eventually lose confidence in prior held beliefs. That’s how humanity works.

It’s also how conversion to Christian faith works. That’s why there’s no safe space in the debate over same-sex marriage to argue for a conscientious Christian accommodation. There’s no such thing. Protecting the pattern of human belief that can be opened to the Gospel means protecting the freedom of the conscience. This protection can happen even if, as I’ve argued, culture disagrees uniformly with that conscience. But in the case of same-sex marriage, the debate over RFRA, and misguided Christian attempts to end-around the basic principles of conscience and culture, it’s becoming clear that there really is no way to have your cake and bake it too.

Samuel James, Inklinations 26 Comments [4/11/2015 3:27:46 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 107767


It has nothing to do with hate, envy, fear, or twisted thinking, but a dedication to truth. Sodomy is evil, wrong, wicked, sinful, corrupt, perverse, bad, immoral, depraved, decadent, dissolute, debauched, and disgusting. And whether I’m writing in love or hate doesn’t change the facts.

Homosexual behavior has been forbidden since the beginning of time by every religion and every civilization. Even during the “Golden Age” of the Greeks, homosexuality was rather common among the ruling class and the philosophers. The common people had enough sense to know that such activity was contrary to nature and could destroy the human race.

It is not a matter of forbidding one person to love another because we should love everyone. I love people (even people I don’t like.) enough to tell them the truth about perversion and other matters. Love everyone but don’t sleep with everyone. To do otherwise is obviously abnormal, abominable, and awful.

The Homosexual Lobby has taken control of America with the collusion of the media moguls. Even “Christian” churches, colleges, and conventions have been snookered by the loony left. No one wants to appear unkind, unreasonable, or be unemployed; so, religious leaders have climbed on the bandwagon to perdition with a modern Bible version in their hands and a whining, spurious prayer on their lips.

Don Boys, BarbWire 21 Comments [4/11/2015 3:01:37 AM]
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Quote# 107763

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It has been described as a far-right, political death-match somewhere between King Lear and Dallas.

France’s far-right Front National has been plunged into an all-out war between its president, Marine Le Pen, and her ageing father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, after he made inflammatory comments belittling the Holocaust and defended Marshal Pétain, the leader of France’s Nazi collaborationist Vichy regime.

[...]

Then in an interview this week with Rivarol, a notorious far-right weekly, Jean-Marie Le Pen attacked his daughter’s criticism of his Holocaust comments, saying: “You’re only betrayed by your own.”

He defended Philippe Pétain, the leader of France’s Nazi collaborationist Vichy regime in the 1940s, who was convicted of treason after the war. He told the magazine: “I have never considered Marshal Pétain a traitor. He was treated too severely after the liberation.”

He also lamented: “We’re being governed by immigrants and children of immigrants at all levels.” Citing France’s Spanish-born Socialist prime minister, Manuel Valls, he asked: “What is his attachment to France?”

He said France should join with Russia to save the “white world” and said he understood why some fought democracy.

Jean-Marie Le Pen, Guardian 10 Comments [4/11/2015 2:56:29 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 107759

[Arguing whether the serpent lied in the garden of eden]


"Clearly "thereof" does not have the meaning"

Clearly?? Usually, when people write something like this they have reasons that support the idea. What are yours?

Clearly "thereof" does not have the meaning you are desperately trying to give it.

Google, define thereof

How about a dictionary website? Here is one. The definition listed is...

from that cause or particular

Which is pretty much exactly what I wrote before - "Because of this". As usual, you have chosen to disagree with something that is very obvious and easy to demonstrate. Why? Are you a troll?

"thereof" means of something, in this case the fruit."

No, it means because of eating the fruit. How are you this dumb?

" But at least you now you accept..."

I have always accepted that they were cursed to die on the same day they ate the fruit. You may remember, that was my point from the begining. To sum up the argument, it goes like this:

The Bible says, in older translations and not newer ones that accord with modern word use, that Adam and Eve would surely die on the day that they ate the fruit. When they eat the fruit, they are cursed to surely die. You think the fact that they didn't fall down dead that same day means that the whole "surely die" thing never happened. You are totally ignoring the fact that on that day, they are cursed to SURELY DIE, exactly as predicted.

Restating the argument, I hope it is clear that your efforts here are nonsense.

" The second problem you have is that your still implying by your argument that Adam and Eve were created immortal."

Adam is cursed to surely die as a punishment for eating the fruit. Quoting scripture is not "implying" an interpretation.

"Clearly Adam would only live forever if he ate the fruit"

Repeating this doesn't make it true. Sorry to ruin your favorite method of argument. I've already linked the scripture where Adam is cursed to surely die as punishment for eating the fruit. So no, it isn't at all clear that Adam would only live forever if he ate the fruit of Life.

" No, that is not what "ad hominem" means"

a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized

We're done here. I genuinely hope you are a troll. Nobody should be this dumb. If you aren't... just, do the world a favor, and never share your opinion about anything, ever again.

Thanks.

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electricfistula, Reddit 10 Comments [4/11/2015 2:53:39 AM]
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Submitted By: Pokefrazer

Quote# 107758

Were women meant to serve men?

Of course they are Otherwise women would not choose to focus on beauty and looking good. Men are stronger and smarter usually too. Women are here to take direction and serve however they can. The majority of women I knew want to be controlled,that is the best evidence I can think of. Men rule.

unknown, Debate.org 22 Comments [4/11/2015 2:33:42 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 107755

There is not a more monstrous organization in the United States than the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services (otherwise known as DCFS). In other areas across the nation, this same diabolical government institution is known as CPS (Child Protection Services). What a misnomer! DCFS and CPS abuse families!

DCFS, an organization which was allegedly started to protect families, has actually in many cases DESTROYED families! The emotional, physical, and financial tolls are oftentimes devastating. Many innocent families have been forced into bankruptcy because of nightmarish legal fees to defend themselves against this evil bureaucratic monster. CPS doesn't try to heal, build nor restore families; all they know how to do is steal, kill and destroy as Jesus said in John 10:10. That's their agenda, to destroy! CPS are devils!

No doubt, many mothers and fathers have ended up in the hospital because of the trauma associated with DCFS' brutal and never-ending persecution. My wife was often sick, vomiting from the turmoil, wondering if the Communist Police State was coming to take our child away. If you've never been targeted by the State, then you cannot possibly understand. CPS are largely a bunch of sick twisted freaks. The government is NOT God, but they act like it, swooping in like ravenous vultures to steal our children away forever.
“There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.”
—Charles de Montesquieu
Watch the following video which exposes the criminal CPS empire that is taking children away from good parents, caught up in legal kidnapping. The following video documentary is frightening...


The system converts children into cash which destroys families and their lives. The public schools are hunting ground for CPS. If your child has a mark from falling down in the school playground, the teacher can be arrested for not turning the parents into CPS for possible abuse. Once the call is made, innocent families are automatically sucked into a brutal bureaucracy of abuse, idiocy and irresponsibility. Children are quickly placed into foster homes and the biological parents banned by law from having any contact with their children.

“That which is not just is not law.” —William Lloyd Garrison (1805-1879)

According to The National Center For Child Abuse And Neglect in 1998 reported that “six times more children died in foster care than in the general public. And that once removed to official 'safety' these children are far more likely to suffer abuse, including sexual molestation, than in the general population. Think what that number is today 10-years later. Child protective services seizes children using the very system that is paid for by the tax-payer, who actually believes it is used to protect abused and neglected children. The bureaucracy of workers benefit financially by a system that converts children into cash while destroying their families and their lives.”

CPS is an official government kidnapping ring.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 25 Comments [4/11/2015 2:33:03 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 107752

As soon as you get to the place to where you think you’re smart without God and you can formulate your own philosophy about God and who God is, then the next step is your worship of the creature. Why? You’ve got to worship the creature if you think you can figure out who God is. If you draw up in your mind your own concept of God, you’re putting yourself before God. You’re worshipping your own mind in the place of God, and the next thing is that you worship the creature or the body.
Worship of the body is where our nation is tonight. All this open sex, nudity, free love, and body worship is the final step in the downward trend of our nation. “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.” (Romans 1:26) Now, you listen to me! When a nation gets to the place where nudity is prevalent, what else does it look for? One reason God intends for folks to wear clothes is because the unknown gives you added property to explore. Don’t snicker when I say that! However, when we get to the place where we strip off our clothes and nudity becomes commonplace, then man begins to search for something other than the natural man-woman relationship. To what does he turn? First, he turns to sex perversion or unnatural acts. When that runs its course, to what does he turn? He turns to women committing sex with women and men committing sex with men. Now, that is as low as you can get. Here is the order again:
1. We do not glorify god or give thanks to Him
2. We become vain in our imaginations
3. We become wise in their own eyes
4. We make a false religion
5. We worship the creature instead of the Creator
Let me say a little more about that third point- becoming wise in our own eyes. I’m not against going to a university, but let me tell you something. If you went to a university and got a degree and now think you’re better than your grandpa who didn’t go past fifth grade, then you’re an idiot! There’s nothing in this world any more sickening than for one hunk of flesh who’s worth only $1.98 chemically, a sinner who ought to go to Hell; if you’re fortunate enough to have trusted Jesus, then you’re saved by His grace.
There’s not one good thing in this world about any of us. “There is none that doeth good, no, not one.” (Romans 3:12b) “There is none righteous, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10) “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) On and on the Bible goes to tell us that there is not one good thing about any of us for one of us to set himself up above the rest of us as being a scholar or an expert or of a particular sphere or caste system. It’s heathenism, it’s paganism, and it’s a result of turning from God. As soon as you do that, you become wise in your own conceit. You think you’re smart. You’ve been to college, you have your degree, so you think you’re above the common man.
Next, you begin to worship the mind and then you begin to worship the body. After that, you go into sins of the body, and the last step is the step that Sodom and Gomorrah took when God said He’d rain fire and brimstone on them. Let me tell you something, and you hear me well! There are three people who wear britches and have short hair and would be called men who sit in this room tonight who are homosexuals, and I know it. You have said, “Don’t let Brother Hyles’ preaching upset you. God wouldn’t have made us this way if He hadn’t intended for men to love men.” Oh, you pagan heathen! God didn’t make you that way! Don’t you blame God for your sin! Don’t you blame God for your rejection of God’s Word! You’ll burn in Hell forever and ever and ever unless you get born again and get delivered of that wicked sin! It’s not normal! It’s pagan! It’s iniquity! God hates it! God goes so far as to condemn to everlasting torment the soul of every person who is homosexual! Check your Bible! That’s the last step in man’s downward progression.

Pastor Jack Hyles, Jesus is Savior 37 Comments [4/10/2015 3:15:41 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 107744

It is not surprising that our country is falling apart, when our churches are falling apart. The Presbyterian church is a massive spiritual fraud. Shame on anyone who attends a church that recognizes same-sex PERversion as a legitimate lifestyle. It is gross immorality. Why not approve of pedophilia while they're at it? Why not approve of adultery? In December of 2011, President Obama signed NDAA into law, removing the ban against sex with animals in the military. Will the Presbyterian church approve of bestiality marriages next? Sadly, they already have, by approving of same-sex marriage, which is no less evil than bestiality.

Please, leave the apostate Presbyterian denomination if you are involved in that mess. Why would you want to attend a fake church that is sympathetic for sodomies who want to marry and adopt children? It is sickening!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 33 Comments [4/10/2015 2:48:17 AM]
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Quote# 107743



The surest way the LGBT community could prove you wrong, Matthew, is to say something like this: "Our deepest-held belief about our state in life is that we were born this way -- so making our sexual identities illegal seems like a bad idea to us. But let's face it: the vast majority of the human race was not born this way, so the idea of a man having sex with a man or a woman having sex with a woman is revolting to the rest of you. So we have to navigate the waters here as if our most deeply-held belief about ourselves (and the rest of you) is true. That means we can't expect the rest of you to accept the way we live any more than we can accept the way you live as a norm for ourselves."

If they said this in any meaningful way, then it would be time to take them at face value rather than as people intent on hiding their real motives. I mean: this is how someone like Camille Paglia approaches this problem. She completely agrees that what Queer advocates want is nothing like Christian homes and families, and all she wants is to be left to her own devices. She knows what she wants is nothing like what you and I want, Matthew -- and in being honest about that she establishes a basis for the dialog.

The LGBT position today is deeply dishonest. It's like any other cult you might find which opposes historical Christianity: it has to lie about what it means when it uses common terms in order to fool the uninformed listener into a state of complicity. And what the rest of us are faced with is a very simple choice: allow ourselves to be lied to by them and by doing so concede all of our moral and cultural stock in this fight to them, or demand that they tell the truth about what they are requiring of us and see if that's what we can accept.


Frank Turk, Mere Orthodoxy 27 Comments [4/10/2015 2:48:06 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 107742

Now, it is doubtlessly the case that conservatives have sometimes defended and promoted certain illiberal laws, like sodomy laws, which gay marriage supporters have effectively turned against us in support of their own cause. I am opposed to such laws, for a variety of reasons, but one of which is that by creating an overly legalized context for the preservation of sexual norms, they tacitly transfer authority for such maintenance to the government. This potentially creates a false confidence in the stability of such norms, and threatens to displace the first and primary defender of sexual norms, namely the Church, as well as the family itself and all the non-governmental spheres of civil society. While such laws once enjoyed wide support, they were also overly morally restrictive and intrusive. Such overreaches have proved enormously costly to our own position in the world since the gay community has effectively and powerfully used them to portray themselves (with some legitimacy) as a persecuted minority.

But as my friend Erick Erickson has said repeatedly, “You will be made to care.” Because in the same-sex marriage regime, dissenters threaten to overturn the apple cart. The eagerness by which dissenting views are being pushed out of public and any debate is being silenced may be some of the strongest evidence we have for the view’s intrinsic falsity.

Except. Except. I have sometimes said that the central question facing our society is whether there can be mercy in the gay marriage debate. I am not the only person to ask it, nor was I the first to think of it. But it captured me the moment I first heard it, and it haunts me still. It is mercy that is at stake in our current moment. For mercy is a response to a wrong done, and I have no doubt that conservatives have in the past occasionally fallen prey to hubris in their zeal to maintain norms that they think are true. There are few more liberal qualities than mercy, for mercy is a kind of permissiveness where judgment is owed. And mercy refuses to treat the status quo as determinative: it recognizes the freedom of humanity to rise above our current state of wronging each other, a freedom which is itself constituted by the giving of mercy in the first place. Such a mercy is what Andrew Sullivan defended in the excommunication of Brendan Eich from the Church of Silicon Valley.

The surest and easiest way the LGBT community could prove me wrong would be to begin extending mercy toward those of us who are hopelessly and cheerfully lost on the wrong side of history, and to somehow convince themselves that the usefulness of the fiction for their cause that religious conservatives are intrinsically bigoted in their views has come to an end. Whether they will remains to be seen. But regardless of how implausible such a reversal seems or how the structural forces of our society are opposed to it, as long as the possibility of conversion remains I will continue to stay foolish in my hope.


Matthew Lee Anderson, Mere Orthodoxy 21 Comments [4/10/2015 2:47:32 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 107741

Let me be very clear: no informed, honest Christian can ever, under any circumstances, accept, approve, or applaud “gay” marriage or any other abnormal behavior. Never, even if there is a loss of income, home, job, or threat of prison. The non-thinkers and bigots will accuse me of bigotry followed by their usual diatribe but that is not an answer. The Homosexual Lobby’s policy is if we don’t approve them then they accuse and attack our lack of tolerance. Hypocrites.

It has nothing to do with hate, envy, fear, or twisted thinking, but a dedication to truth. Sodomy is evil, wrong, wicked, sinful, corrupt, perverse, bad, immoral, depraved, decadent, dissolute, debauched, and disgusting. And whether I’m writing in love or hate doesn’t change the facts.

Homosexual behavior has been forbidden since the beginning of time by every religion and every civilization. Even during the “Golden Age” of the Greeks, homosexuality was rather common among the ruling class and the philosophers. The common people had enough sense to know that such activity was contrary to nature and could destroy the human race.

It is not a matter of forbidding one person to love another because we should love everyone. I love people (even people I don’t like.) enough to tell them the truth about perversion and other matters. Love everyone but don’t sleep with everyone. To do otherwise is obviously abnormal, abominable, and awful.

The Homosexual Lobby has taken control of America with the collusion of the media moguls. Even “Christian” churches, colleges, and conventions have been snookered by the loony left. No one wants to appear unkind, unreasonable, or be unemployed; so, religious leaders have climbed on the bandwagon to perdition with a modern Bible version in their hands and a whining, spurious prayer on their lips.

Christian businesspeople have lost the right to practice their beliefs so that a bunch of homosexuals will not get their feelings hurt. It is not a crime to offend someone. Let me be very clear: do not discriminate is not one of the Ten Commandments. Even if it were, those beating the homosexual drum usually don’t obey the original Ten. But that crowd has far more faith in a commandment that does not exist than for the Ten that do exist and for which we all will be held accountable.

Think about it: a person risks his or her money to start a business, works day and night to get it going, and while risking everything is then asked to do something that endorses, encourages, and emboldens a lifestyle that is contrary to his or her sincerely held religious beliefs. He will sell to and service anyone but to certify or accredit sinful behavior he will not do. And may lose everything for acting according to his beliefs. No honest, informed person says that that was part of early America. Those who declare otherwise have perverted truth. We are castigated if we do not “love” homosexuals but they don’t have to love us whom they call “homophobes.”

Non-thinkers compare the civil rights demonstrators sitting at a lunch counter to “gays” being refused an endorsement of their lifestyle by a cake or photographs. It appears that constant media exposure is rotting the brains of people. I’m sure perversion does.

But forcing Christians to act contrary to their beliefs is not only a threat to religious belief. It is a matter of personal rights even apart from religion. In the “old days” an American could choose his own friends, belong to whatever organizations he desired, and disagree with (even ridicule) political, religious, or academic groups without fear. He might be considered a little odd but it was legal to be odd in the old days.

Dr. Don Boys, Barbwire 28 Comments [4/10/2015 2:44:49 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 107735

The Abrahamic God evolved from the desert and MUST go back and remain in his domain, to restore balance to the planet

This WAR we're fighting, has been going on from the beginning. Long before there were any Jews or Christians walking the Earth ?

Believe it or not, not all Jewish people or Israelis are evil. Within certain circles, there are some who believe that today's Zionists could be the descendants of Jews from Ancient Babylon.

These Babylonian wizards were notorious for all things related to evil deeds. Black magic, child sacrifice, cannibalism and every other depraved act you can imagine.


True freedom begins with forgiveness. Our warriors Men/Women MUST BE spiritually cleansed for the coming battle, otherwise we will lose the fight.

We must be capable of forgiveness while at the same time if required, be able to defend our families, lands and way of life to the bitter end ... without giving in to our baser instincts and seething in our own hate.

This fight is equally a battle of spirit as it is a fight for our rights as people

Here's the hard part ...

Could a person simultaneously run their sword through their enemy i.e; (Black, Asian, Muslim, Jew etc) and be genuinely capable of forgiving that same person as they bleed to death?

YES THEY CAN!

Blood & Honor, words which hold great meaning

Remember, we're the Good Guys

This WAR has been going on from the very beginning, and it's not just the Jews who play a big role in this. We all do. This is equally a battle of spirit as it is a fight for our rights as people.

I have no fear of demons as I am prepared to forgive them, therefore they cannot harm me

We hold OUR swords up high in honor

Hail Golden Dawn!

[...]

We hold OUR swords up high in honor!

The cry of Sieg Heil ? echoing within the halls of time will forever ignite the holy union between Ethnic Europeans

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Hail Ioannis Metaxas!

Heil Hitler!

Hail, children of Zeus!

"In truth at first Chaos came to be, but next wide-bosomed Earth"

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Hellenic Pagan, VNN 26 Comments [4/10/2015 2:40:24 AM]
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Quote# 107732

Imagine that you are looking at a luxury liner moving through calm waters. To your amazement about a dozen people jump off the ship, and cling to a lifeboat. You watch as the rest of the passengers stand on the ship and laugh at them.

You can understand their reaction. What those few people did was foolish. It made no sense. Suddenly, the ship hits an unseen iceberg and sinks, taking with it all who stayed on board. Now you see that those who seemed like fools were wise, but those who stayed on the ship and seemed to be wise, were fools.

We have in the Bible a command to jump off the luxury liner of this world. Before you laugh at stupid Christians, ask yourself if there is any proof that its claims are true. I would suggest that you take the time to read the Gospel of John, with a humble heart.

Ray Comfort, Ray Comfort's Facebook page 41 Comments [4/10/2015 2:38:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 107731

Having said all this, I believe that it is appropriate for a young woman to attend Christian college to prepare for motherhood and to be a wife. I am against women attending Christian college to pursue a career instead of motherhood. It's just as wrong to replace motherhood with a Christian career as it is a secular career. God put you ladies here to be a HELP MEET to a husband (Genesis 2:18). God didn't put you here to have fun, enjoy life, work a job, pursue a career or change the world. It's ok to enjoy life, after the work is done. Your family is your work.

It is wrong for a woman to attend a heathen university to earn an accredited degree as an educator. You are walking in the counsel of the ungodly (Psalm 1:1). The pursuit of accreditation in a state university has led to the spiritual downfall of countless young people. You'd be better to have no education than a heathen education.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 20 Comments [4/10/2015 2:38:14 AM]
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Quote# 107730

[Comment on an article about the "Blood Moons"]

As per other comments: I think when one states "Jesus is coming" one needs to be aware that the Muslim's also proclaim a "Jesus" "Christ" is coming, and so do the Catholics. They call him their "Christ", while the True Messhiach they call the Anti-Christ, i.e. completely opposite to how the Bible describes it! Yah'shua is the Name He was called by His talmudim, which in Greek is Joshua, and that translated into Latin is Jesus. We should be aware that Satan will obviously COPY the real-deal, in an effort to deceive! There's been an identity theft... the Jesus Christ of the Catholic church (see 1 Jn.2:18) is actually Heus Krishna (two gods of the heathens) and you can see this in the way he encourages "saint worship", worship of the goddess Diana (Mary), sun-god worship (Christmas); Oestre-worship (rather than YHWH worship in the real thing: Pesech), etc. Dan.11 teaches us that he will defile the Temple and do away with the daily sacrifices, flattering those who have violated / forsaken the covenant. This "Jesus" will tell the world he didn't die and isn't the son of Allah (God in Arabic) for Allah can have no son, and that Christians have been misled but that he will forgive them if only they turn and serve Allah. This Isa is the "star" of Islam's moon-god Allah. Many Protestant pastors are already signing up with Chrislam, bringing their churches back under the Pope & are joining Catholic (freemason) orders. So, please let's go back to Scripture and call the Biblical Yah'shua on His Biblical name and know Him by His Biblical role (sure, I also sometimes call Him Jesus, but knowing exactly Who I'm talking about)... get to understand He is the root of Dawid (the word for Branch/root is also the root for Nazareth where Yah'shua grew up), He is Aleph-Taw of Gen.1:1 - the Word of YHWH and the Wisdom of YHWH (Prov.8). Unfold His Word (Ps.119:130) so that we may KNOW our Elohim and firmly resist the false elohim & his abomination (Dan.11:32). Shalom. Chag Sameach!

Galinda Nelson, Breaking Israel News 12 Comments [4/10/2015 2:36:56 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 107729

Why do you think the Obama administration went after filmmaker Dinesh D’souza with federal charges, eventually convicting him of a campaign finance felony?

D’Souza served eight months in a community confinement center, received five years probation, and paid a $30,000 fine, all for giving some money to a friend to donate to a candidate. Somehow, I think there are plenty of people federal prosecutors have not gone after so aggressively for a similar offense.

The reason the federal government went after D’Souza so forcefully was that Dinesh, in his first movie 2016: Obama’s America, hit the nail right on the head regarding our Dear Leader’s agenda. Obama could not let this continue. He had to attempt to silence Dinesh and buy more time to complete his goal—the creation of a global Islamic caliphate.

The evidence is just too overwhelming. There is no other conclusion any intelligent, thinking man can come to.

The New York Post reports today that Obama could not even acknowledge the concept of “Muslim Terrorists” at the extremist convention the administration threw together to act like they were doing something against the Islamic Jihadist threat.

Obama has not shown any leadership in Europe against Russian designs in Ukraine, or any other international conflict, because it’s just not important to him. It doesn’t fit with his long-term goals, so he just pays it lip service. He has to keep his eye on the ball.

The goal of this administration is to weaken American power so the United States cannot stop the formation of the caliphate from North Africa to Pakistan. Even more frightening is that Obama is attempting to radically change the population of the United States through illegal immigration so that eventually, a Muslim U.S.A. will join his new kingdom.

I have written again and again about the Obama administration’s agenda to allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon to destroy Israel and bring the entire Levant into the caliphate. Israeli nuclear weapons stand in the way of this goal. A nuclear Iran will destroy the Jewish State.

Why Obama Wants to Destroy America:

The Jerusalem Post today reports that the State Department is mocking Israel and openly admits they are not including Israel in the negotiations that involve her very survival.

[News article excerpt]

Iran going nuclear, ISIS conquering the Middle East and threatening to invade Europe, terrorists actively being courted to enter the United States, Christians being slaughtered, Obama refusing to utter the words ‘Islamic terrorist’, Jihad being carried out in Paris and other European capitals, et cetera, et cetera, all point to Obama forming a global Islamic kingdom.

The question is, when he leaves office, is Obama looking to become sultan of his new empire?

L. Todd Wood, Now The End Begins 17 Comments [4/9/2015 2:52:44 PM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 107724

Yes, science is my friend. But, not your's, apparently.
4+ billion years old is just the latest guess. 200 years ago, it was 70,000 years old, based on nothing. Only some atheist's attempt to "prove" that the Bible is wrong. Well, my Catholic faith doesn't depend on how old the universe is, okay? Arguing about it is a complete waste of time.

Nick_from_Detroit, christiannews.net 30 Comments [4/9/2015 1:48:49 PM]
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Quote# 107723

Whenever I encounter Satan at work, I tell him out loud to hit the road, in Jesus' name. Having had demonic encounters in our home in the past, I dealt with it by declaring our home a place where Jesus dwells and is welcome, but the works of the enemy are not, and I prayed at that time through my whole house--every room and every closet---declaring it a place for the Lord's glory alone, and I did anoint with oil the door frames of each doorway, including our front door. Then we fasted and prayed for deliverance of the family member so affected, and sent her to a place where she would receive help and deliverance.

We've moved since, and our children are now grown, but we have declared our property, at its very perimeter, as belonging to God and revealing His glory. It is hallowed ground because we belong to God.

Euphemia, Christian Forum Site 37 Comments [4/9/2015 1:48:42 PM]
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Quote# 107720

Homosexuality is something God hates, so one who indulges is sinning. One who says he is a Christian while blatantly sinning in that way is deceived, and most likely has never had a reckoning with God about his sin...because he is deaf to the promptings of Holy Spirit about it.

The world is not "growing" or advancing in its acceptance of these things. It is devolving and spinning out of control due to the weight of sin and deception brought about by the ruler of the world, Satan. The world is quickly stumbling into dissipation and will roll right into the Great Tribulation.

Euphemia, Christian Forum Site 30 Comments [4/9/2015 3:30:53 AM]
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Quote# 107718


I love this picture to the right. I believe that every young lady should learn cooking, piano and etiquette. Sadly, girls today are learn how to have sex in public grade school, learning the nightclub lifestyle from Walt Disney and being taught by the toxic music industry that life's all about dating, selfish pride and rebellion.

I have read many great articles by Christian men and women regarding the participation of women in the workforce, politics, and in the military. These are activities that most women didn’t participate in until fifty years ago. However, I feel there is one other major activity these writers have not addressed. For some reason, they've overlooked women’s participation in sports.

For quite a long time, women resisted the feminist call to play sports, since they just weren’t interested like men were. But this didn't sit well with the feminists; they felt this was the fault of male oppression. In the name of “equality,” feminist leaders poked and prodded and pushed women to join the games, until women in droves finally succumbed to the pressure. I think this should give us strong reason to pause and consider the question, “Should women participate in sports?”

Over the years I’ve noticed that Christian parents, as much as any parents, encourage their daughters to participate in sports. This is all the rage in our public schools, especially since the passage of Title IX by the feminists. Since most Christian parents send their children to the public schools, it doesn’t surprise many of us that Christians are influenced more by the secular school culture than by the culture of the Church. Worse, the Church itself is being more heavily influenced by the culture instead of the other way around. One of the trends in schools is the participation in sports by women; therefore it shouldn’t surprise us that so many Christian daughters today participate in sports. But is this really all that bad?

For those of us who believe we should train our daughters according to Titus 2, 1 Peter 3, and other Biblical passages, my answer is “Yes, it is not good.” I propose that sports greatly hinders the development of godly, Biblical, feminine character. Parents today expend extraordinary amounts of time and energy taking their daughters from one sports event to another, week after week, even to the point where it exhausts the family and family resources. The fruits we see are that today’s Christian women are often ill-prepared to be Biblically obedient wives and mothers. This brings to mind a couple of questions: “Why do we spend so much time preparing our daughters to play sports?" and "What does it prepare them for in the future?” My answer is that sports prepare women to be more like men. Instead of spending all that time preparing our daughters as the Bible directs, we are training them to be like men so they can better compete with men in traditionally masculine roles - i.e., compete with them in the workforce, in politics, in the military, and in sports.

Actually, I don’t have a problem with women playing recreational sports on an occasional basis, just with them playing competitive sports on a regular day-to-day basis. This rigorous physical and mental training tends to make women more masculine. I think it is prudent to often ask ourselves “Can a woman do this activity and retain a Biblically feminine character?” With sports I think it will be difficult in most cases. Even some of the traditionally more feminine sports like gymnastics and ice skating are now influencing women to be more masculine.

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Most men I know admire a woman who is reasonably healthy and fit; they are also attracted to a woman who is somewhat “soft” and cuddly. This does not mean she should be delicate like tissue paper; no, a woman should be reasonably strong, and the normal duties of life will make her that way. This is what we learn from the Proverbs 31 woman. However, if you look at pictures of female athletes who play sports or observe them on the playing fields, you will notice that many develop strong, muscular bodies. Female athletes also sneer, wince, push, and fight just like the men. I notice these things all the time in pictures in our hometown newspaper. The sneers are most obvious; they make young women very unfeminine. The masculine uniforms and sweaty bodies aren’t very attractive, either.

I also notice when driving by our public school grounds and sports fields another phenomenon taking place: the young girls are trained in sports right along with the boys. To me, this can only be degrading to the boys. In some cases, girls regularly participate on boys' sports teams, and therefore compete against the boys themselves. During the past decade, more and more girls participated in wrestling; since there were no girls' wrestling teams, they joined the boys' teams and competed against the boys. I read about one school where the boys refused to wrestle the girls and forfeited their matches; there could be no greater embarrassment to them than to lose to a girl, not to mention it likely violated their sense of masculine chivalry. So not only is female sports participation degrading the feminine nature of women, in many cases it degrades the developing masculinity in boys.

At the recent summer Olympics in Greece, women’s wrestling was a new sport. There were several female wrestlers on the U.S. Olympic team; most of them received their training by wrestling with men in college, since there were no women’s teams. If you saw their pictures, they looked just like men smashing each other into the mats. Women’s handball was another sport that I’d never seen before, and the pictures I saw of the women fighting each other were sometimes grotesque. Similarly aggressive sports are women’s hockey, boxing, football, rugby, and others where oftentimes the women pretty much look and act like men. But even the less aggressive but more common sports like soccer, basketball, and softball tend to make women masculine and manly.

Some Christians might say that women should not compete in professional sports, but any other level is okay. However, professional athletes get their start somewhere. They begin in local school and community sports leagues like everyone else, and sometimes move on to college and adult leagues. Eventually, they may end up as semi-professionals or amateurs competing around the world in a variety of sports; but nonetheless, the masculinization process begins when they are young girls. The longer they play, the more likely it is that their femininity will be degraded.

Scott Jonas, Jesus is Savior 56 Comments [4/9/2015 3:29:53 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 107710

To answer the question of whether homosexuals (improperly called gays) should be executed is not my opinion to give. I have no opinion in the matter, except that I completely believe the Bible, and God in His Holy Word says all sinners are condemned since Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden (Romans 5:12). We were born condemned under the curse of sin. Of course, little children automatically go to Heaven, because they have not yet reached the age of enlightenment. Our text passage of Holy Scripture plainly requires the death penalty for the sins of bestiality, adultery and homosexuality. That is not my opinion, it is God's Word! Don't anyone quote me as saying that I think gays should die, because that is not accurate. You can quote me as saying that, “Brother Stewart agrees with the Holy Bible, which says that God wants homosexuals, murderers and adulterers to be executed by the government!” This is for the good of the land.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 44 Comments [4/9/2015 3:26:55 AM]
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Quote# 107708

The truth is you do live in a war zone. Your enemy, the master of deceit, has just disguised your environment so that you think you are safe and not at war. Your children’s world is littered inviting objects that can blow up or paths that lead to spiritual devastation or even death. Your enemy prowls as a roaring lion. Safety is an illusion in modern America.

You do live in a war zone. Your family’s life is on the line each day. What difference will it make in the way you care for and protect your children?

Jay Younts, Sheperd Press 25 Comments [4/9/2015 3:25:58 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 107703

The ultimate reference to the Bible is in Genesis. Women were made from the rib of man. Without a man first being created, women would never exist. This is the ultimate reality that feminists can never get over or get past. All effort at feminist supremacy are therefor doomed.

Wi Tu Lo, Return of Kings 33 Comments [4/9/2015 3:06:25 AM]
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Quote# 107702

Men it's time to MAN YOUR DICKS and FIRE UP YOUR BALLS. The slaying has not yet began. Every new family started is an abortionist thwarted, their pathetic murderous career gutterballed. Every young virgin conquered and domesticated is a wild slut that will never be. FIRE THOSE DICKS rrratatat-tat-tat like a wall of Gatling guns. BAM BAM BAM. Bag dat ass. Knock em up and take them captive. They are our other half, half of them stolen from us and the other half wayward and lost. They are OUR sheep. All you swingin' dicks RIISE UP. We live for OUR master.

MCGOO, Return of Kings 56 Comments [4/9/2015 3:06:12 AM]
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