Quote# 63007

I don't want to continue to derail the thread, but imagine this:

There is a car on fire. A mother is in the front seat, and her child is strapped in the car seat in the seat behind her. You are the police officer who arrives on the scene first. When you approach the vehicle, the mom yells at you from the front seat, "Save me! Save me instead!"

You pull the mother from the burning vehicle, then pull your gun from its holster and shoot the baby in the backseat, moments before the vehicle explodes.

Yeah. That's what abortion to "save the life of the mother is life." Save them both. You clearly have to save the mother first, anyway, or they both would die. If you can't save the baby, also, it's a tragedy. If you kill the baby intentionally, as Tiller did routinely, it's murder.

Prolifeguyswife, Theology OnLine 97 Comments [6/5/2009 12:30:48 PM]
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Submitted By: WMDKitty

Quote# 62983

Christian is many different things with many different beliefs, but the but common "christian" definition is not the same as a catholic, catholics do not believe Jesus has risen and Christians do.

james w, Y! answers 90 Comments [6/5/2009 9:12:43 AM]
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Quote# 62963

[Regarding the murder of abortion provider George Tiller.]
I'm noticing the media spin-machine at work. The glaze over what the "doctor" had done, putting him on the level of a simple abortionist- Third trimester abortion is heinous, and while I do not support murder, I see where the shooter was coming from. Actually, screw it, I may support murder in instances such as this where law is deaf dumb and blind. Blatant painful murder is unacceptable. Did you recoil in shock when Dahmer was beaten down, albeit illegally, for his crimes against humanity?

The spin the media is putting on this is quite epic, it would be like calling Hitler's suicide in his bunker as "Prolific youth leader and economic genius kills self due to lack of western support"- While technically true in all of the words, it's the part they omit that is the killer. So it goes, so it goes.

divineseraph, Gaia Online 45 Comments [6/5/2009 9:11:32 AM]
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Quote# 62984

Well, I only thought I had a problem with Islam before I really delved into a deeper study of it! Wow! Just Wow! Now, I am completely disturbed by that "religion". I looked into the "prophet" Muhammad and his whole deal (hallucinations, pedophilia?). Then a look into where the god "allah" came from (moon god anyone...daughters of allah/goddesses...Al'Lat?). And, Muhammad speaking the Satanic Verses which is established by four early biographers. Then to look at the pillars again and see how much work is really involved....and still this "allah" goes by predestination and can arbitrarily decide after weighing your life's good deeds against the bad deeds to cast one into hell.

JewishbyChoice , Rapture Ready 67 Comments [6/4/2009 11:44:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 62952

How Christian is J K Rowling’s “Christian Inspiration” for the series of Harry Potter books?

Not very. She was inspired by the devil to write these books to bring her out of poverty in which she has. She has made a pact with the devil and will pay a awful price for her sins of turning millions toward witchcraft and the occult. No Christian should read, or even think about reading these books if your walking in the spirit.

Marks, City-Data 75 Comments [6/4/2009 11:40:33 PM]
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Submitted By: Roxolan

Quote# 62938

*the murder of Tiller*

I've been debating the "appropriate" feeling I should have on this as well.

Would you or I feel sorry for the death of Dr Mengele?

This man pictured was personally responsible for the death and torture of tens of thousands of people. But I know the retort for the "right to death" sect--the unborn are not people (Roe vs. Wade confirms this bogus belief) and Mengele "only" killed the living (or the "born")... So what? This is the difference?? The Dred Scott decision said "Black slaves were not people". Are we to embrace this concept too?? We know this is a completely bogus idea.

Ok, it's different because abortion is "choice". Well, how come if I choose to murder the guy behind a counter in a liquor store is illegal? Oh, I get it--it's because he's not in the womb and doesn't have the ability to defend himself. But what if I ask permission from the worker's mother and she approves it? It was her "choice", right? This makes "sense"?...

So why do we accept that "the unborn are not people"? And what sets this contemporary "Doctor of Death" apart from the Doctor of Death of Auschwitz? And why should I mourn his loss? If I mourn, it's because I would mourn as I would for anyone who was unsaved.

Ahhh...the comedy and whimsy of tyranny!

WKUHilltopper, RF 34 Comments [6/4/2009 11:39:42 PM]
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Quote# 62928

[Obama issues LGBT pride month proclamation]

I'm so tired of hearing things like this about the Bacon Lettuce and Tomato crowd!

We need to start our own "acronym." How about "Straight, Normal And Proud" SNAP!

KaiafromBergen, RR 85 Comments [6/4/2009 11:39:04 PM]
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Quote# 62989


Abortion fits into so many of the left's agendas.

First, there's the woman's right thing.

Then there's population control.

And don't forget sex without consequences.

It's also environmentally friendly (no human = 0 carbon footprint)

It's anti-family.

It shoves traditional values into the dumpster, literally.

Abortion has something for everyone.

frodo82801, Rapture Ready  60 Comments [6/4/2009 8:10:48 PM]
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Quote# 62988


Do these people convert to Islam because they feel like killing people and Islam gives them permission to murder without guilt?

Most of the converts to Islam go out and kill people right away.

My son is in the military and lives close to Little Rock. Now I have to worry about some maniac Muslim shooting him. Islam is despicable.

Logicon, Rapture Ready  50 Comments [6/4/2009 8:10:29 PM]
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Quote# 62972

I believe the Ambulocetus existed, yet your belief that traits found in whales is proof positive that whales evolved from the Ambulocetus is pretty far fetched. Traits are not evidence for evolution. For even today we can find similarities in numerous animals that walk the earth. I have eyes and so does a crocodile. Does this mean I evolved from a crocodile?
The evolution belief is based on assumptions that can not be shown to be true, nor do we find any clear proof of evolution in the fossil record. It appears believers in evolution want us tho believe evolution occured. Yet when you ask for that inbetween fossil, the one that would show two species, let us say at that 50% change. All I hear is evolution does not work that way. And yet, it would have to work that way. You cannot have a four legged animal one day, and a whale the next. There would have to be some pretty strange looking animals out there. And such animals never find there way into the fossil record. Why is that?

Campbell34, City Data 41 Comments [6/4/2009 8:08:23 PM]
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Quote# 62940

they were right to do this.
please think of the child!!

how do you think the quality of the childs life would be with gay parents?
the child would grow up with a fucked up sence of how the world works, would get teased in school and eventually grow up a sad and hateful person.

let these gays fuck in private if they want to, but letting them corrupt the innocence of a child is unacceptable.

no, FSTDT Comments 51 Comments [6/4/2009 8:03:55 PM]
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Quote# 62990

Atheists getting married is WORSE than gays marrying, since atheists can have babies and raise them to be more atheists. But gays can't make babies (at least not naturally) and thus their genes will mostly die out and we should eventually have less gays. Thus, I agree that we Christians should make our Christian U.S. government BAN atheists from getting married.

Christian-Minister, Singer Rob Thomas - If atheists can marry, why can't gays? 89 Comments [6/4/2009 4:18:17 PM]
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Submitted By: emau99

Quote# 62975

Evolution-vs-Intelligent Design - See if anyone can intelligently answer these...?
If evolution is true...

Then why do males have nipples?

Why do animals, taken from the wild, and made into every possible hybrid imaginable, always revert back to their original state...when left alone?

Why aren't there thousands of species of intermediates, with scales, feathers and fins (actually there should be billions)?

Why does every crossing of species only take place by the hand of man, but not in the wild?

Why does every hybrid species only produce a sterile/infertile mutation that soon does out?

Why do they say it takes billions of years for a creature to go from a water-based life, with fins and gills, to a land-based one, with legs and lungs...when a certain species of frog in Africa can do it in 4 days?

Why is the DNA of a rattlesnake closer to that of humans than a chimpanzee?

Why is the smartest species of animal a bird, and not an ape?

If intelligent-design creationism is impossible, then where did the idea of God come from?

John S, Y!A 60 Comments [6/4/2009 4:10:34 PM]
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Quote# 62973

How is the preaching homosexuality is a good thing not terrorism? How is preaching global warming is killing us all next week not terrorism?

Derenderisback, Pharyngula 44 Comments [6/4/2009 4:06:38 PM]
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Quote# 62965

What a mess. Why is everyone arguing about rights-they're all on the way out. As a devout Christian, at this point I'd LOVE to have "no religion" be the rule, meaning the RELIGIONS of gay marriage, atheism, humanism, secularism,

Momprayn, AOL Message Board 53 Comments [6/4/2009 4:00:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Mortician

Quote# 62944

The Gentile president usurper Soetoro/Obama represents a curse upon our White Israelite nation. Manifest Destiny still rings true even if the forces of evil are out to silence its liberty bell.

Soetoro/Obama, the fraud and foreigner (and the bastard should be considered that unless or until he proves differently by showing us his long form birth certificate), raised a Muslim in a Muslim country and indoctrinated for years against the United States of America and White people in racist Jeremiah Wright's haven of hatred, feels greater affinity for Nazi Muslims than for our British Israelite and Jewish brethren and wants to see us all bow before the nations, the tail wagging the dog, like dhimmis.

May justice be served and the president usurper history, with the United States remembering our Hebrew roots and biblical responsibilities and act accordingly, so help us God.

David Ben-Ariel, The Dry Bones Blog 55 Comments [6/4/2009 3:56:01 PM]
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Quote# 62959

I pray everyone repents and gets saved, but

we know that isn't what will happen, and for those who don't

you may be acting all high and mighty now,

BUT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS COMING BACK AND THIS

TIME HE WON'T BE LIKE THE PUSHOVER LAMB "HE SEEMED" TO BE

BUT WILL BE THE AWESOME LION KING OF KINGS WHO WILL SMASH ALL VESSELS WHO

DO EVIL TO POWDER!!!!!!!!!!!

waiting1, Rapture Ready 147 Comments [6/4/2009 4:02:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Democritus

Quote# 62958

George Tiller - the infamous late-term abortionist and medical director of Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kansas – was killed on May 31, 2009.

...The man chose his fate the moment he dismembered his first infant. I'm not embarrassed to say what the punishment for the crime is anymore than I'm embarrassed to admit that child killing is a crime.

Did I want him to be gunned down in church - even a hypocritical, Molech-worshiping fraud of a church like the one he was attending while shot? No. I would have much preferred him being tried and convicted in a court of law that is consistent with medical science and personhood as defined in our Constitution. We can prevent the atrocious acts of violence against abortionists by holding them accountable to their actions.

...Tiller was killed by a pro-choice act. Pro-lifers need make no apologies.

Gingi Edmonds, gingiedmonds 66 Comments [6/4/2009 4:01:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Damned at Random

Quote# 62950

Actually, evidence does exist of a worldwide flood!
It is the interpretation of that evidence, indeed the interpretation of all fossil evidence, which support the truth of the bible and the lie of evolution as the source of all life.

You think millions of years created the Grand Canyon? I suggest that it could have been created in one year and flow dynamists have proven it is a distinct possibility. Many years to lay down the sedimentary layers seen in the sides of the canyon but only one year of erosion is needed to actually cut the swath with the power and force of water should Teutonic plates shift.... (Interesting)

How did sea fairing and formerly existing proven fossils get at the great heights of the Himalayas? Teutonic plates shift and raise those mountains into position! Interestingly enough... this might correspond with the end of the worldwide flood... (Interesting)

Fossils. How do fossils exist? Bacteria and other living creatures consume most living flesh very quickly. Kill a pig in the forest and come back a year later. Very little evidence exists and most scientists know that this is the criterion to consider when a fossilized remains is discovered. Why was it preserved? Something has to have covered that remains in order to preserve the creature. A worldwide flood would stir up sediment like nobodies business and that sediment would cover many organisms very quickly. A plethora of dead organisms worldwide will and are very apparent and if you search, you will find this to be true.
Unfortunately, Satan knows this fact very well. Much of the truth of the Great Flood has been covered up and held back or diluted through misinformation and lies.

You are given a mind that can search out the truths and separate the lies from the truth. God is truth. I suggest you check the facts before jumping to any conclusions.

jairuswtsn , IMDB 57 Comments [6/4/2009 4:00:58 AM]
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Submitted By: giz80

Quote# 62931

Liberal hypocrisy re: George Tiller's murder - Today, 01:44 PM
For years, the liberals have tried to reach out to gang members to try and show them a better way to live. To give them opportunities to make it in a life that is not one of violence.

For years, the liberals have tried to reach out to drug dealers and drug users to try and show them a better way to live. To give them help, hope and support to leave their destructive lifestyles.

For years, liberals in the church have reached out to adulterers and other sinners to 'accept them as they are', show forgiveness, and provide restoration through 'divorce workshops' and the like.

For years, liberals have reached out to criminals in this and other countries to open up 'talks' and 'communication' to better understand each other.

SO, NOW PRO-LIFERS ARE BEING CALLED DOMESTIC TERRORISTS? The liberals have been after us for years, trying to get us locked up for supposed insanity, 'violent' nature, and illegal behavior. THEY WANT US LOCKED UP! THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR KIDS.

Where are our 'talks'? Where's the liberals? Why aren't they reaching out to us in kindness to 'show us a better way' and present 'opportunities to move up in society' and become better people?

That stuff doesn't exist. Do I need to detail the violence and crime against pro-lifers over the years? Dare I say that the God given rights of living persons over the last 42 years have been violated in more way than can be documented?

(Keep in mind after reading my post that I do not consider Scott Roeder and Steve Wetzel from mttu.com as part of our movement. They are not truly pro-life. This is directed at the liberals who think that Roeder and Wetzel are part of us.)


Adambassador, Theology Online 63 Comments [6/3/2009 4:13:57 PM]
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Submitted By: Green Goblin

Quote# 62934

I saw on one of those gossip shows this OPENLY GAY tween host. He could have been no more than 14 and he was interviewing all the stars on the red carpet.

I was appauled......

Anyone know who or what he is?

I have already banned that channel from our home.

pagal, RR 52 Comments [6/3/2009 3:39:53 PM]
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Submitted By: night

Quote# 62936

Some facts about Darwin and Lyell that most evolutionists don't want you to know:

1) Neither Darwin or Lyell had "any" degrees in science.
2) Darwin's only degree was in theology. He was going to be a preacher before he boarded the Beagle (ship).
3) Lyell had a degree in being a lawyer. But he wrote the book that made Darwin question God.
4) In the day that Darwin earned his degree in theology, what they taught was Bible literalism. Which also means that Darwin was taught and believed in the literal six day creation. Which would make him a YEC before he rejected God to write his theory.
5) Lyell was basically a Bible scoffer who hated God, and used a type of intelligent peer pressure technique to convince people to his way of thinking. Which basically told people that unless they believed the way he did, they would be deemed as ignorant and uneducated. And as you probably know this same technique is used by evolutionists even today.

So if you ever wondered why evolution seemed so well put together to conflict with YEC. You have to remember that the person who wrote it turned against YEC because of the peer pressure Lyell wrote in his book. And if you wonder where the actual idea came from for man coming from animals. It was from part of Darwins teachings where he had to learn about other pagan religions while earning that theology degree. So the idea that man came from animals can be traced back to the time of Moses. Where Egyptian religion believed this, and their gods were half man half animal. So evolution actually has it's roots in Pagan religion, and Darwin was not the originator of that idea. He just made it popular, and introduced it to science as a way to replace God and the Bible that he had rejected.

Issac, Y.E.C. Headquarters 82 Comments [6/3/2009 5:03:23 AM]
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Submitted By: M.M.

Quote# 62930

I can’t help but to follow the logic. “Doctor” Tiller is committing late-term abortions, which by any sane person’s calculation is infanticide. This is murder. Through perversion of the law, this is permitted, despite it flying the face of the history of civilization. This has been tolerated for two decades, and nothing has happened to stop the killing. He would have continued to commit this crime.

I can’t escape the conclusion that killing Tiller was the right thing to do. I am uncomfortable with this conclusion because it’s dangerous. But nevertheless, it was the ethical thing to do. Tiller would have continued to take numerous lives. Nothing was going to stop him. So someone did stop him. And now fewer lives will be taken.

We celebrate the breaking the laws every time the media canonizes Rosa Parks. She broke the law. There is no question of that. The question is whether it was the ethical thing to do (it was.) We celebrate the Nazi resistance, we celebrate the Tiananmen Square uprising. I’m sure those were all illegal actions, yet were unquestionably the moral things to do. So how would killing a killer, when all options are exhausted, not also be the right thing to do?

You have to wonder if the reason why we have a legal system is in order to steal the oxygen from moral vigilantism. You have to wonder if the legal system breaks down whether vigilantism, when all other options fail, becomes a moral imperative.

tankertodd, http://www.redstate.com 83 Comments [6/2/2009 11:50:48 PM]
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Submitted By: Jim

Quote# 62868

[re: a PA newspaper ad that read "May Obama follow in the steps of Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy!"]

I thought that Lincoln and Kennedy were the only ones to be assassinated. That's what I was taught in school anyway.

Another reason to homeschool ones children...


Mezuzas, Rapture Ready 66 Comments [6/2/2009 12:49:16 PM]
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Quote# 62879

In my house were having a problem in our bathroom. My son would when taking showers sometimes go into fits and rages. They could be nasty....
Prayer and seeking God went forth through the deliverance sessions and my prayer partner when i was in the bathroom felt she was in another diminsion.
At a later time she felt something was connected to the bathroom wall going outside where my son had his sand box and we had some other stuff. Something was wrong in that area.
We prayed and had Holy communion in that spot.
Not a problem that i can think of with Ben having fits in the bathroom sence.
There may have been Indian activity here once.... we are in the boonies....
There was also the problem of me by accident in drawing a murial on the bathroom door i opened a portal i think.... but thats another story...
Anyhow closing the portal.and having Communion in this one spot has really been extremely beneificial. I dont understand it but i respect it..
God knew what was needed.. Praise the name of the Lord and thanks to the sweet Holy Spirit who has all knowledge and wisdom!God is on the move.... even in our bathroom!

Jewels, Ministering Deliverance 80 Comments [6/2/2009 12:02:29 PM]
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