Quote# 29372

For the record, I did say that evil is a perception of good not existing....since good is the nature of God, and God is omnipresent, good therefore exists everywhere at all times....even when perceived evil takes place. I submit to you that suffering is not evil. I also submit that hatred, violence, and other negative behavior are human created choices and of no responsibility of God's. God turns perceived evil events into beneficial outcomes.

For example the holocaust is a great crime against humanity perpetrated by the Nazi regime. Many wonder why God would allow such a calamity to happen? Are not the Hebrews/Jews His chosen people? Why didn't He forestall the holocaust or prevent it altogether? Why did He allow 6 million Jews and 4 million Slavs to perish in the concentration camps? The answer is God was procuring a Holy remnant to send onto the new nation of Israel He was planning on restoring as he prophesied He would do in Ezekiel 37:

[long Bible quote]

This is the prophesy of the restoration of Israel fulfilled in 1948. God did exactly the same thing when He led the Children of Israel out of Egypt. He procured a Holy Remnant out of their 40 years of wandering in the Wilderness. He purged out the rebellious generations until those who were left were worthy to go onto to Jerusalem (Zion). God is very consistent in how He deals with His chosen people. We will see the same thing again during the Great Tribulation when God procures another remnant to go onto the New Jerusalem (The Messianic Millennial Kingdom). My point is though the holocaust was a great calamity, it was really the birth pangs for the nation of Israel. Where evil was perceived, a great good was actually being contrived by God.

Donald Baker, IIDB 26 Comments [9/28/2007 11:04:21 AM]
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Submitted By: The Defenestrator

Quote# 29378

Myself? I don't think that abortion should be allowed in any circumstances. Yes, I know that it's not a woman's fault when she gets pregnant due to rape. Well... sorry, but life isn't perfect. There still is a child in her, and killing the baby won't make the rape not have happened. I'm sorry if the child reminds her of the horrific incident; she can put him or her up for adoption. If someone must die for the rape, it should be the rapist.

What about if the woman would die in childbirth? Again, sorry. There really isn't any greater love than to give one's life for another. If a person was stuck on a mountain and they had a child handcuffed to them, and for some reason he would die if he didn't kill the child (somehow that would set him free and allow him to get away, shut up it's just an illustration), does that make it right for him to kill the child? It wouldn't hold up in the court of law, that's for sure.

Eruan, Stop the ACLU 58 Comments [9/28/2007 11:03:38 AM]
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Quote# 29375

How do Fossils count as evidence for Evolution. There are a bunch of bones in the dirt! There is no fossil record. There are no missing links there are bunch of bones of deads animals in the dirt.

densor050390, youtube 49 Comments [9/28/2007 10:48:10 AM]
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Quote# 29376

I mean, if you kiss and hold hands and snuggle and whatever with a date, then how is that going to be special in marriage. It sets you up to become bored in marriage. What's to stop you from divorcing because the chemistry ends?

Boogle, CBH 39 Comments [9/28/2007 9:53:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Stique

Quote# 29371

[Oh shiny, shiny mirror on the wall...]

I think what we have to remember about Islam is that unlike Christianity we are looking at a religion that has been spreading mostly by procreation. Most people who are Muslims are not Muslims because they choose to be, they are Muslims because are forced to be. You take away a nations ability to force Islam and Islam will weaken and fall apart on its own.

Poetsong, Livejournal 28 Comments [9/28/2007 9:27:24 AM]
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Quote# 29369

The people who condemn Biblical chastisement do not believe the Bible. They judge others by their own experience. The only time they have “hit” their children, or been tempted to, was when they were angry. They assume that when we spank it is with the same hostility they have felt. Having never experienced it, they do not understand the meaning of loving discipline applied for the child’s own good. And they cannot fathom the sweet fruit that the properly applied rod produces in the soul of the child.

Mike Pearl, no greater joy 63 Comments [9/28/2007 9:23:26 AM]
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Quote# 29367

Mr. Nicely, I would like you to visit NYC and look at the crater at what was the World Trade Center. About 3000 Americans died on September 11th. I was there and saw it all. Back in the early 1990's when former President Clinton did not have the guts to deal with the Islamic radicals who started it back at the time of the first bombing at the WTC. President Bush fought 2 countries for those dead. I am sorry to say that when Bush leaves and some gutless President takes his place we will probably have another WTC, maybe in the form of a nuke from Iran or Syria or North Korea and no new war will be fought in response, in the defense of the living. And to answer another question as to: Why do the Radical Muslims hate America? It is because America is not Muslim and not under Islamic law. Listen to Osama Bin Ladin's videos and tapes. He says the attacks will stop when America converts to Islam. Are you ready to become a Muslim? Ready to stop listening to rock music? Ready to tell your daughters and mothers they can't drive? Ready to pick up that first stone for that adulterer? Ready to give up reading newspaper editorials? Are you ready to descend back to the darks ages? Well, sorry I am a Christian and let the attacks come. I stand awaiting the nuclear attack in NYC and even if I die in a burning fireball I still pity you gutless liberals who condemn a President for having the balls to be a Christian, who will not
allow Americans to be murdered, who will fight for American rights against a hypocritical world. If you don't like America, feel free to move to Iran, Venezuela, North Korea or Cuba.

Living by the WTC, Rocky Mountain Collegian 48 Comments [9/28/2007 4:29:22 AM]
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Quote# 29366

As you leave your body — you realize something is happening. You hear a sound. . . getting louder and louder. . . screaming . . .weeping. . . wailing. Terror and fear beyond anything you could imagine overtakes you. "This can’t be happening!" you scream. Your nostrils are filling with the awful stench of burning souls. Your face ignites from the heat. Flames are now blazing from your eyes, nostrils, ears, mouth — every opening in your body, flames are roaring out. Your body is sizzling and crackling from the flames.

Your body is now madly thrashing and convulsing from the horrible pain. "Why don’t I die?", you scream. You begin weeping and gnashing your teeth with the millions. "When will this pain stop?" But you know it will never stop. . .

The darkness is so terrifying, it begins engulfing you. You feel something moving in the darkness. . . something horrible is happening. "No! No! This can’t be happening" you scream — as your worm is emerging.

You begin cursing the day you were born. You scream — "Oh God, why didn’t you warn me?"— but you remember the preacher pleading with you to receive Jesus Christ. You remember reading that gospel tract. You cry — "God don’t you care?" — but you remember John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,. . ." "God is a God of love — He won't allow this", you cry — but you remember John 3:36, ". . . he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
And you soon realize, that Jesus Christ was right!
There is a place called hell.

AND YOU ARE THERE — FOREVER!


Terry Watkins, The Truth About Hell 143 Comments [9/28/2007 2:48:55 AM]
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Quote# 29368

Maybe not, but using aborted fetal tissue is only ONE of the MANY things wrong with vaccines. I agree with everything Vince stated, and more. Vaccines are unhealthy and whats more is that all the diseases that they supposedly eradicated were actually eradicated by better hygiene, not vaccines.

Katy-Anne, King James Bible Only 53 Comments [9/28/2007 2:47:38 AM]
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Submitted By: MarylandBear

Quote# 29374

In reality there is no such thing as 'homosexuals' there are homosexualist - that is persons who performs homosexual acts.
We are all born hetersexuals, but a misguided few will participate in homosexual acts which would would then make them homosexualist.
Though someone may have had in the past Committed homosexul acts, but has repented and living a chaste life according to his/her vocation in life, well that person should not be considered a homosexualist anymore, unless they still actively commit homosexual acts. Homosexual is not a noun but an adjective.

Bennie P, Catholic Answers Forums 41 Comments [9/28/2007 2:45:22 AM]
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Quote# 29353

For instance, atheism can’t even answer a simple question like, “which came first the chicken or the egg?” Whereas the Bible teaches that on the fifth day God created the chicken. If atheism can’t even answer a simple question like that, why would anyone trust it further?

Frank-in-sense, CARM.org 62 Comments [9/27/2007 3:46:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Egghead

Quote# 29357

<<From a Brief Bio of - Paul Abramson Editor of: www.creationism.org>>

Evolution is primarily a spiritual deception. There is still no scientific evidence to support it; there are actually zero transitional fossils, no evolutionary mechanism (it's not mutations!), and their dating methods just don't work! (Simultaneously they ignore the Earth dating methods that do work, that show a young planet Earth.) Informed creationists usually win debates against highly "educated/indoctrinated" evolutionary professors ... ... even a layman like Paul.



Paul Abramson , creationism.org 52 Comments [9/27/2007 3:46:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Jeremy PC

Quote# 29358

"A new plague would resolve all the issues."

True. Maybe God will decide to destroy mankind soon. It's my constant prayer.


Jaysun , FreeRepublic.Com 51 Comments [9/27/2007 3:33:20 PM]
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Quote# 29350

Wow. So acceptance has nothing to do with petophiles and murderers. Whos the ignorant one? Is the increase just a coincidence like global warming. You give one group acceptance, another will want it. Its like dominos. As long as theres a group to want rights, they will fight for it. Unless you stop the dominos early, you might fail to stop the latter ones. Are murderers going to be accepted. Doubtful. But pedophiles are seeing the acceptance of gays. There are groups of pedophiles who use gay rights as an arguement. There are also beastiality freaks who do also. They all use the same argument. Its "love. Theres nothing wrong with it. They are people too" Right now you think its not going to happen. Theres nothing to worry about. Thats what they thought about gays less then 500 years ago. They existed but they would never have the kind of rights a heterosexual would have... and today?

Justin, MySpace 39 Comments [9/27/2007 12:11:09 PM]
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Quote# 29349

Acceptance. Acceptance. Lets all except. Theres nothing wrong with you. Theres no reason to try to change. Do whatever you want. Your gay... go ahead and have sex at disney land. You a gangster... shoot yourself a white boy. Your a pedophile... remember to ask the parent before you date their 5 yr old girl.

Im sorry im so old fashion and am so against change, but if this is what America is all about, ive never felt so unpatriotic.

Justin, MySpace 50 Comments [9/27/2007 5:37:52 AM]
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Quote# 29352

Condoms are not sure because I know that there are two countries in Europe, they are making condoms with the virus on purpose," he alleged, refusing to name the countries.

They want to finish with the African people. This is the programme. They want to colonise until up to now. If we are not careful we will finish in one century's time.

If we are joking with this sickness we will be finished as soon as possible.

If we want to change the situation to face HIV/Aids it's necessary to have a new mentality, if we don't change mentality we'll be finished quickly.

It means marriage, people being faithful to their wives... (and) young people must be abstaining from sexual relations.

Archbishop Francisco Chimoio, BBC News 32 Comments [9/27/2007 4:05:59 AM]
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Quote# 29346

Adam was to live forever. Trees grew in a week. Light other than the sun existed, as there was no stars or sun. The serpent went on his belly soon as God commanded, according to the bible. No millions of years. The earth was not habitable. Man was created in a certain little area, at least we were moved there to live. We named all the animals. These are some of the differences documented in the bible.

Is there any science to say that these things could not have been?
(to move this thread is to close it.)

Your claims have to be supported first. You make the claims, you support them. Otherwise, withdraw them. I mean that. MY claims ARE supported by the bible. Where there IS NO science, that counts as a lot. If you have science, now would be a good time to bring it to bear. If not, the ancient records do counts for something. Better than your nothing. And I only say that because you can offer nothing in the way of proof or evidence for the basis of your deep past claims.

spiritdad, IIDB 31 Comments [9/26/2007 10:17:58 PM]
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Quote# 29344

Fuck outta here... Jews = the pushers of the New World Order

It even says in the bible that the Jewish "messiah" will be the one to lead the world against God.

Its all a set up, pawns in the game. Jewish heirachy and shadow government.

Harlem Diplomat, Wu Tang Corp 33 Comments [9/26/2007 8:21:25 PM]
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Quote# 29328

I don’t really want to buy your site I just wanted to tell you how much of a chickenshit pussy that you are. You are too damn afraid to say anything bad about Muslims, however you rail against Christians all day because you know that we will not slit your throat as Muslims would do. I do hope, however, that someone slashes your dick off with a buckknife and sticks it down your throat so you will no longer be able to say hateful things against Christians. On second thought, you are probably gay, and already have someone else’s dick in your mouth. If that is the case I hope you get AIDS and die mother fucker! Go to hell and take red-headed faghag cunt Kathy Griffin with you. Goddamn she ia one FUGLY BITCH! I imagine her pussy smells like your ass. Have a good one queerboy.

Al Holloway, suckitjesus.com 52 Comments [9/26/2007 7:42:13 PM]
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Submitted By: Isis

Quote# 29329

FYI, American was not founded or built by freedom of speech. Words can hurt causing genocide and many other human atrocities.

Edwin, suckitjesus.com 39 Comments [9/26/2007 4:27:17 PM]
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Submitted By: Isis

Quote# 29336

There is a local restaurant which my wife and I are regulars at. One of the waiters there is the "openly" gay type, and I mean openly is putting it mildly. I will not give his name as to humiliate him (he does a good enough job of that himself). Whenever we show up and the hostess tells us that he will be our server, I give her a smile and say "You mean our waitress, right?" and give her a wink. That usually gets a good chuckle out of a few folks in line behind us.


Uberbeliever, CARM 69 Comments [9/26/2007 4:26:30 PM]
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Quote# 29315

Pro-life: Do not believe in choice-abortion
Pro-Choice: Believes that choice-abortion should be one of the first choices when and if the woman has a choice. That to have a baby is not the best (Planned Parenthood) choice, but should be able to abort and kill the kid, so that the family can have more money, etc.

I am Victory67, Unbelief.org 32 Comments [9/26/2007 11:13:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 29333

Do animals have souls?

Animals clearly do not have souls. This question is sparked over thoughts of what will happen to pets like dogs and cats when their lives end or when we're raptured. Over the years there have been trillions of animals on the earth, and heaven would be a very crowded place if each one of had a soul.

The fact that animals don't have a soul is, in a way, an advantage to them. I've lost several pets over the years, and I firmly believe that in Heaven I can ask God to bring each one back to life. With humans this outcome is not possible. I've had several relatives die in what I feared was a lost state. If I should make Heaven my home, I know I'll never see them again.

If I were a dog, I'd want a Christian as my master.

Rapture Ready, Raptureready 45 Comments [9/26/2007 9:22:15 AM]
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Quote# 29325

Honestly, I would be very surprised if more than one out of every hundred people are truly saved and on their way to Heaven! Consider the billion people in China who know not the Lord Jesus Christ! Consider the countless hundreds of millions of Arabs (Islamic Muslims) who worship Allah and the prophet Mohammed. Consider the billion Catholics around the world that worship Mary and are trying to earn their way into Heaven through the keeping of the Seven-Sacraments and good works. On and on, religion and more religion! Countless billions of people are trusting in their religion to save them instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. Surely, nine out of ten people in this wicked world are bound for a Godless, eternal hell. I have no doubts whatsoever that 90% of the people in this world are going to Hell. Why? For one simple reason friend, they do not have the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior--Their sins have not been forgiven. We estimated that 232,876 humans die every day on average. 232,876 minus 10 % equals 209,588 people that perish into hell fire and destruction every single day that passes. So roughly, 200,000 HUMANS PLUNGE INTO HELL FIRE EACH AND EVERY DAY! We also see that 23,287 people (10%) make it to Heaven each day on average.

Dave Stewart, Billions of People are Going to Hell 62 Comments [9/26/2007 9:21:36 AM]
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Quote# 29334

For starters, let's talk about the age of the Earth. This is important to better understand both topics. Okay, many scientists (and almost all scientists that write textbooks) think that the Earth is billions of years old. This helps them say that dinosaurs existed a long time ago and then became extinct and it helps to make the evolution myth more believable (they think that if they give "nothingness" enough time, something will emerge, and we have bought this myth as a culture.) Okay, but the Earth is not billions of years old, and I can prove it using the Bible. For those of you who have read your Bible, then you know that there are several books of the bible "Genesis, Chronicles, Matthew and Luke, etc" that have pages full of begats (Genesis 11:10, for example says, "These [are] the generations of Shem: Shem [was] an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood.") So, anyway, because the Bible tells how old people were before they had their children and it lists the generations in a successive line from Adam (who was the first man) until Jesus (who we know was born roughly 2000 years ago), all we have to do is add up the genealogies, and we can figure up how old the Earth is because according to the Bible, we were created on the 6th day of creation. So if you add up the successive genealogies, then the Earth is approximately 6,000 years old.

Crystal, Myspace blog 42 Comments [9/26/2007 8:05:40 AM]
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Submitted By: kilgoretrout