Quote# 31198

Heaven is for saved people, not good people.

RedforChrist, LiveWire Teen Forums 65 Comments [11/14/2007 10:27:57 PM]
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Quote# 31208

The universe was created by God about six thousand years ago according to the geneologies of the Holy Bible, the infallible Word of God.

I like to to tell people, "the earth is about 5,767 years old".

God obviously created the earth with the appearance of age i.e. Adam and Eve were created as adults with the ability to speak a language and do farming. Adam and Eve also had the abilty to procreate (have children). god does creative miracles today so it is no reach to believe he did the same thingsix thousand years ago, but obviously on a grander scale.

Science cannot conclusively determine the "age of the earth" as defined by natural means (evolution). I have heard some people, usually young impressionable students say, "evolution is a proven fact - science proves the law of evolution". This is not possible because evolution can only use historical science to estimate ages and origins. Operation science cannot be used to prove evolution. Operational science is the kind of science done in laboratories where things can be demonstrated and/or repeated.

Historical science confirms the eye witmness account of creation provided by the Bible i.e. God is the eye witness to his own creation and he communicated the history of it to scribes and prophets of old. This should not be unreasonable even for a traditional Chirstian to understand. Shortly after his descendants were making musical instruments and doing metalurgy.

I challenge the participants of the this forum who are convinced of evolution to give one example of evolution. If they cannot do that tell me how you can believe in a very old earth without sin and death before Adam.


Lakercom, http://foru.ms/ 30 Comments [11/14/2007 10:27:05 PM]
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Quote# 31210

[Do you have any evidence at all that organisms without brains can believe anything at all?]
I have seen insects believe. Insects that believe are markedly less erratic in their flight paths, etc.

See above for my comments on the definition of belief and its simplicity.

Gottservant, Foru.ms 54 Comments [11/14/2007 10:27:05 PM]
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Submitted By: Necroforest

Quote# 31197

If we don't stand up for Christmas, it will soon be changed to something stupid like Winter Festival. Last Christmas every time someone said Happy Holidays and I answered back: Merry Christmas!!


Betty, Rapture Ready 49 Comments [11/14/2007 10:25:14 PM]
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Quote# 31206

It doesn't follow that you need a brain to believe.

Gottservant, foru.ms (Christianfoums) 32 Comments [11/14/2007 10:21:36 PM]
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Quote# 31201

A religious father put safety pins through the tongues and lips of his two children and slit their mouths with scalpel blades, a court has heard.

The father, from Nigeria, told the boys he inflicted the injuries because God had his tongue cut off in the Bible, a jury at Bradford Crown Court was told.

Unnamed Bradford father, BBC News 26 Comments [11/14/2007 10:13:47 PM]
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Quote# 31196

[Ok, so you think we should wait until marriage to have sex. What about gays?]


Gays don't exist, so what they do is irrelevant.


Jason, FSTDT Forums 38 Comments [11/14/2007 9:30:43 PM]
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Quote# 31192

(Big Jesus FTW!)

If you're worried about your wicked behavior being watched by a camera by the police department, let me tell you there is a bigger camera that is watching all of your wicked behavior. It's call the Lord God Jesus Christ. And he sees everything. So turn off your computer porn and stop rubbing yourself in unholy ways, stop picking up whores in cheap bars and stop shoving long objects up your under-hole. Yes, God is watching, don't be afraid of Big Brother, because Big Jesus is watching and you will be swimming in a molting lake of fire if you don't hand over your life to Jesus, libtards. I'm praying for you, it's probably a lost cause, but I'm earning points with Jesus.

Maxine, The Daily Page, Madison WI 50 Comments [11/14/2007 9:07:09 PM]
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Submitted By: zipperback

Quote# 31188

When I came to Christ, (while getting rid of my large beloved movie collection) the hardest thing for me to do was to give up my Star Trek. Why did I let it go? Something dawned on me... the peaceful, no disease, no war, no money bliss of the Federation was ultimately an illusion even to the characters on the show. If you're as big a fan as I was, you'll remember the large quantities of profanity used by nearly every one of the cast in every installment. Kirk and Picard loved to take the Lord's name in vain and when Data or Spock used profanity, it was all a big laugh... just as it was to the world watching. This wasn't civilized mature behavior.

Joseph Schmidt, Facebook 43 Comments [11/14/2007 7:15:40 PM]
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Submitted By: jsonitsac

Quote# 31160

It was the threat of Islam and the barbarians that led to the fall of Rome. Not christianity itself..Same with constantinople. Except the muslims overtook that whole city and forced the Jiza tax on orthodox catholic christians..

Renton405, Foru.ms 38 Comments [11/14/2007 7:15:16 PM]
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Submitted By: EnemyPartyII

Quote# 31179

Nice Saying, Bad Theology
There's at least one Christian slogan that I'd like to see retired. Handy sayings are sometimes used to convey a certain truth in a simple way; but too often the slogan ends up being so simple that it actually conveys a falsehood. One of these is "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner." I understand the truth of grace that is the attempt here, but it is actually not what the Bible says.

Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity."

Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things which the Lord hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, a false witness who utters lies....

The Proverbs passage lists parts of people and culminates in a false witness - it's talking about people, not just the actions they commit.

And these passages can't be explained away as the Old Covenant, because they do establish the fact that God hates sinners. The New Covenant, thank God, offers a way to receive God's love. But the state of a sinner is a terrible, fearful thing. In our good desire to express the grace of God, we must still allow the weight of the law and God's hared to bring about the repentance that is necessary for a new relationship with God.

Let's retire the inaccurate slogans, and accurately express a Biblical message.

melinda, Stand to reason blog 22 Comments [11/14/2007 7:14:53 PM]
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Quote# 31168

I just came home from church where we attend, and everyone that I met walking in the hall, and everyone serving in AWANA's, was 'dead tired' or exhausted, or 'I didn't have time to take a nap today'.

I think I'm sensing His soon return...His bride is pining to return home for the wedding.

What do you all think? I know for one, I want to go home, and I often find myself looking up begging for Him to rapture us!

Hisgirljo, Rapture Ready 44 Comments [11/14/2007 12:07:33 PM]
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Submitted By: Anti-Goth

Quote# 31140

[Regarding the death of Cassie Bernall at Columbine]

"Millions have been 'touched by a martyr,'" her pastor, the Rev. George Kirsten, told his congregation this past Sunday. He shared a vision youth pastor Dave McPherson received while ministering to the Bernalls: "I saw Cassie, and I saw Jesus, hand in hand. And they had just gotten married. They had just celebrated their marriage ceremony. And Cassie kind of winked over at me like, 'Dave, I'd like to talk, but I'm so much in love.' Her greatest prayer was to find the right guy. Don't you think she did?" And while Kirsten works to console his grieving congregation over Cassie's loss, he sees the girl's murder as an opportunity to save more souls. "Pack that ark with as many people as possible," he says.

Rev. George Kirsten & Dave McPherson, Salon News 42 Comments [11/14/2007 11:09:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Alena

Quote# 31167

Clive Staples Lewis has been perhaps the single most useful tool of Satan since his appearance in the Christian community sometime around World War II. With his strong belief in nondenominational Christianity, which he termed "mere Christianity", and his apparent orthodoxy in doctrine, the influence of his pen has reached across many years. When the light of God's Holy Bible is focused upon his writings, however, his heresy and outright love of Satan comes into bold view.

Though a highly acclaimed and widely published "Christian" author, when judged by his own words by the word of God it becomes clear that he was indeed a fool in the most extreme sense of the word, yet a very subtle one that was and is extremely useful to his father the devil.

Mary and Steve Van Nattan, BlessedQuietness.com 16 Comments [11/14/2007 10:24:01 AM]
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Quote# 31174

Are there strange things happening in earth’s weather? Yes, and in the earth as well, with increased seismic activity that spawns eruptions of volcanoes and earthquakes. Does man cause these through global warming? No. Does man cause these things otherwise? Yes, in my view at least. Man creates them through rebellion against the Creator of all things. The globalists are doing so today through worship of Planet Earth.

Terry, Rapture Ready 24 Comments [11/14/2007 10:07:29 AM]
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Quote# 31162

[[If not a monkey than what was the "common ancestor of both chimps and humans"?]

It was an ape.]

yeah, and apes came from monkeys, animals, and eventually you even believe they came from bacteria

So my argument is not wrong

Now, evolutionists are losing sight of where the burden of proof really is. If you want to claim humans came from animals, you have to provide a lineage, period. If you can't show the lineage of animals to apes, to humans, you can't claim humans are animals.

Jake M, IIDB 33 Comments [11/14/2007 10:07:14 AM]
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Quote# 31156

Often in abortion debates/discussions, you see folks who say they aren't for it, but for the option of it, to avoid backstreet abortions that are unsafe to the mother (and of course deadly to the child. ) To me, I think even the option is unacceptable, and that our country should not cater to a sin. Murder is unacceptable, and the "option" should not be legal. And I think a woman who goes as far as to get a backstreet abortion deserves what she gets for taking that risk to sin. Am I evil and unloving to think something like this?

Ishida, Foru.ms 49 Comments [11/14/2007 10:03:22 AM]
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Submitted By: EnemyPartyII

Quote# 31176

This is really scarry. What's the next step. They say in the documentation that they and other member states must oppose Creationism but what is to happen next? An opposition to the belief in life after death because it is not scientifically proovable. Or perhaps missing out the miracles of Jesus in all Religious classes because science teaches they are a physical impossibility. The next logical step is to outlaw and legislate against the teachings of Jesus because he claimed to be the Son of God - and science acknowledges no omniscient, creator being. Then let's just take Christianity out of all our education system.

I'm a teacher in Britain and I'm not going to listen at all to any recommendations - or laws that come down from Europe. In my experience of education in Britain, the more the Govt. tries to legislate against and remove our God from Schools the more the Holy Spirit seems to be working in the hearts of our kids, stirring them to a faith in God.

I answer to God. Not to the Council of Europe.

matt, Rapture Ready 52 Comments [11/14/2007 10:01:22 AM]
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Quote# 31163

[concerning the book/movie “The Golden Compass”]

well its the context of the book that does bother me. that why some one shouldnt be allowed to write it.

Gods4me, http://foru.ms 32 Comments [11/14/2007 9:01:42 AM]
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Submitted By: moonkitty

Quote# 31147

It seems as if secular scientist just are out to disprove the Bible, and Christians are guilty of the same thing Eve was --- listening to Satan. The first thing the Serpent did was cause Eve to question God's word (Did God really say......), then he outright lied to her (you will not surely die....). That is the same thing that is going on today. Secular scientists are so busy trying to cause us to doubt God's word and fill us with lies that they leave science far behind. The make "discoveries" then announce them in headlines, but when these discoveries prove to be just one more chimp skelaton, or a species which died out millions of years ago is found alive and well, these points somehow are missed in the headlines. God's word is true. Man's word changes daily.


Trusting Jesus, worthyboards 30 Comments [11/14/2007 8:02:11 AM]
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Submitted By: moserman

Quote# 31144

[Jesus stopped them from stoning the adulteress]

God prevented the execution of THREE adulterers, yet stiull demanded that convicted adulterers be executed after He forgave each of them.

God forgave David and still demanded that the government execute adulterers. Same with Gomer.

Jesus Christ would have said "stone her" in response to the question in John 8, but doing so would have brought Him into a premature conflict with Rome, and the Pharisees who asked the question knew this (John 8:6; 18:31)

SurvivorsIndiana, Youtube  33 Comments [11/14/2007 8:00:26 AM]
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Quote# 31146

[Jesus said: I have come to give them life and to give it in abundance]

Jesus Christ is God and He instituted the death penalty in Genesis 9:6 revealing that men must execute murderers because He made man in His image. Jesus Christ even upheld executing those who curse father and mother in Matthew 15 and Mark 7 upholding a command He gave to MOses in Ex 21:17 where God gave the punishments for breaking the Ten Commandments He gave in Ex 20.

God gives life to those who repent and humble themselves. God demands governments execute capital criminals.

SurvivorsIndiana, Youtube  16 Comments [11/14/2007 7:55:37 AM]
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Quote# 31155

@WM: It doesn't stay in their bedrooms. Their diseases go wherever they go, always where they're not wanted. They parade through the streets, worm their way into churches, schools, the boy scouts, all in a desperate attempt to corrupt children, since they are unaware and easier to convince than an adult. They want to destroy the concept of marriage by making it a travesty, a mockery of a holy institution. They want to change the laws so that people who oppose their perversions can be charged with a 'hate crime'. They want to tamper with everything; they are truly vile. They are to be put to death and for good reason.

"Dirty Faggots" Troll, FSTDT Comments 27 Comments [11/14/2007 7:53:38 AM]
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Quote# 31148

God has said that men MUST execute murderers since Gen 9:6 and the reason He gave for us doing so was because He made us in His image. That's what Gen 9:6 says, read it.

Also, Jesus Christ upheld executing those who curse father and mother in Matt 15 and Mark 7 which is a punishment he gave in Ex 21:17. Of course, you wouldn't know that since you probably have never read those verses ever.

SurvivorsIndiana, Youtube  17 Comments [11/14/2007 7:52:58 AM]
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Quote# 31154

so your an atheist. that doesn't mean that gods not real, it just means that you don't think he is. now if god was a fairytale why do we worship him? we don't have temples to pray to fairy godmothers? do we? well i think that if we don't pray to the fairygod mother then god is not a fairytale.

elmo, yahoo answers 41 Comments [11/13/2007 11:58:20 PM]
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