Quote# 19383

RIYADH, 7 January 2007 — With the aim of strengthening business ties, two Riyadh business partners in their 70s have married their teenage daughters (17-19) to each other, reported Sayidaty magazine, a sister publication of Arab News.

“A man has the right to marry. When it comes to marriage, there is no stopping point,” said Al-Dossary, a man in his 70s with silver hair, a gray beard and gray eyebrows. “We have followed Islamic principles in the way we conducted our marriages and we are both happy with our wives,” he added.

Al-Dossary married his teenage daughter to his business partner and in turn married his partner’s teenage daughter. His partner, Saif Al-Qahtani, said: “It is true that our arranged marriages are strange, yet this does not mean that we are the only people to have married in this way, either in the past or the present. Anyhow, the main purpose of marriage is to protect men and women and we have both achieved this through our marriages.”

He added: “It took us only two months to decide and then arrange our marriages. It all began when my friend, Al-Dossary, continuously expressed the desire to marry.”

Al-Dossary added: “It is true that I wanted to marry. I proposed to several girls but all refused. One day I decided to ask Al-Qahtani to give me one of his daughters. He agreed immediately, but in return he asked me for my daughter. I was surprised because he already had three wives; however, I agreed since I had a young daughter who was of marriageable age.”

Al-Qahtani commented: “Yes, I asked him to give me his daughter in return. When he asked for one of my daughters, I thought I couldn’t refuse him because of our friendship. I knew that if I did refuse his request, our business would be affected. I didn’t have any other choice. I agreed to give him my daughter and take his daughter in return. At the time, I remember telling him to give me his daughter and that I would give him mine.”

He added that the two old men then set a date, not more than two months away during which time the marriages would be finalized. “We met our deadline and we have now been married for a year and a half,” he said.

When asked if they had consulted their daughters, Al-Qahtani said: “I did not ask my daughter. I don’t have to. I know what is beneficial for her. When I told her what I had planned, she was happy. If she hadn’t been, she would have told her mother.”

Al-Dossary said: “In bedouin culture, a girl does not have the right to express her opinion about marriage, especially if her father and brothers have decided on a particular man. In both our cases, we have been married for a long time and have had no problems with our wives. Although we are much older than our wives, the fact that we are together proves that we are right for each other.”

Al-Dossary and Saif Al-Qahtani, ArabNews 47 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Dave

Quote# 19388

[about a girl being born with mental disabilities]

This girl is like a leper so what she needs to do is try and find god

if she really believes she can be healed from this state, she will be healed from this state

Most afflictions like this are caused by sins committed while still inside the womb. If she can repent for what she does god will embrace her and make her as human as you or me but if she chooses not to she'll always be like this

god tests every one of us [emphasis added]

theSAVED, Penny Arcade 344 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19390

Women are ruled by biology, men by reason. Feminists want everyone to just be sexual beings, taking the man away from the equation and having the village raise the child. Feminists claim that it is men that enslaved them and caused them to well basically not be whores and sleep around. I disagree that monogamy is a female thing and that men are not monogamous. It is women that are naturally polygamous, not men.

For millions of years we lived in a village raise the child mentality. The population was small, no inventions were being made, no history was being recorded. The matriarch mated with as many men as possible to ensure getting a seed to pass down. Society was stagnant. You were lucky if you made it past age 25.

6000 years ago society had an upturn. The rise of man happened. Wives and husbands entered monogamous relationships, the matriarchy that was almost repeatedly wiped out by nature, was replaced by society driven by men. Inventions came along to improve the quality of life, writing started to flourish as did science and math.

Populations boomed, children were now being raised by the parents and living longer healthier happier lives. Women no longer died at 25 or childbirth, but actually survived to live a long life.

Men took on dangerous specialized jobs to improve society even more. Fast forward 6000 years and the human lifespan has tripled to quadrupled. Your only worries were now what to watch on TV, not whether or not you will die tomorrow.

Feminism in essence wants life to revert back to pre-caveman times. This is dangerous for a number of reasons.

ChicagoMan, Truth For Men 58 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19391

(The CIA can't connect Bin Laden and Hussein, but the zodiac can and it'll throw in a free Hitler with every purchase. It goes on like this for almost 9 pages.)

At that time, and even closer in November 2002, Bin Laden’s progressed Venus is conjunct Hussein’s Sun. The aspect will be exact by the end of February 2003. This type of progressed synastry between two individuals can indicate a very close relationship that unfolds and develops for mutual benefit. This is even more strongly compounded by the fact that Bin Laden’s progressed Sun is in Taurus approaching only a few degrees to Hussein’s Sun. Note also, that Bin Laden’s revolutionary Uranus is conjunct Hussein’s Leo Ascendant.

Taurus is known for the force it wields, especially in the realm of dictators, Hitler being the most infamous, and the Ayotollah Khomeini (Scorpio Moon) being another. The soul rulership of Taurus is Vulcan, ruler of the First Ray of Will or Power. Taurus also taps into the forces of polar opposite sign Scorpio, ruled by Pluto, the power part of the Will-Power equation.

This type of power has a ‘bulldozer’ mentality with great stubborness and persistence. Ariel Sharon [5] and Yasser Arafat [6] both have Moon in Taurus, and ‘bulldozer’ is one of Sharon’s nicknames. Tony Blair and Madeleine Albright both have this Taurean tenacity in their Suns

Phillip Lindsay, Osama Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein: The Astrology of a Collaboration? 17 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19394

[From a thread about The DaVinci Code.]

I am so secure in my beliefs and faith.

No one can shake me, at least not anymore. I went through a period of thinking my faith and trust in Christ was a bunch of hogwash. I gave up everything I knew. But I went searching. I went searching to those of the faith and those who didn't believe. I researched, had months of sleepless nights, and after all the anguish, came to a conclusion. Christ is the Son of God, came to this earth, was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucified, rose on the third day and will return someday.

No matter how many books or movies come out to say I'm wrong, I'm secure in my beliefs and know the truth. No one can ever again convince me otherwise.

canes1222, The Lounge @ CanesTimes.com 36 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: ForensicAtheist

Quote# 19395

[Re: <a href="http://www.earnedmedia.org/BFA0108.htm" target="_blank">A news story about a gay-friendly church</a> decided to make the sacred fish symbol (Ichthus)into a rainbow fish symbol pin, and handing out the pins in support of lesbian and gay Christians]

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one am getting tired of this crap. I know we're supposed to show nothing but love, but if I see one of those, I'll rip it off the car. If I see a pin like that on clothing, I'll rip it off. And if we have to fight over it then so be it. I'll pray for them after the beating. I'm sick and tired of seeing my faith stomped on.

[Soooo..........what are you trying to say?]

What I'm trying to say is that the next time a group of homo's interrupts a church service by throwing condoms at worshipers, they ought to have the crap beat out of them.

[Okay look. If you slug someone because of something they said you'd go to jail. And Jesus would NEVER approve of that kind of behavior. You would be sinning if you did the things you are suggesting.]

I understand love your neighbor, I understand vengeance is mine. But I also understand that when people disrespected the house of God, Jesus beat the crap out of them.

budgolf, rapture ready 42 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19397

if there is very little gravity on the moon, why would any dust stay on the surface? If a human can bounce of the ground, and dust is lighter than a human, it would have floated elsewhere, right?

? Jesus without the "u", Myspace 29 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 19398

You're not even from this country, so you have no idea what being a conservative is here, nore do I believe you even know what a facist is.

(Even though I don't live in the US, it's very easy to research conservative and Republican policies. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that they are pandering to the Religious Right by marginalising and discriminating against gays, lesbians and minorities.)

You don't truely know shit unless you live here, go suck a kangeroo teet.

Zach Eineman, Myspace 24 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 19402

What amazes me is that you think you came from a rock. You base your atheism on the belief that you came from a rock. And the rock came from nothing. Ultimately, you believe you came from nothing. Oh, wait, its those wacky religionist who believe that complex, irreducable mechanisms require design, they're the loons. I don't believe in atheists. Atheists are a figment of an agnostic imagination.

Donnely McLeod, Sociocide 36 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19404

Fuck your atheism. Darwin was a racist, evolution is an invention OF racism, the most racist genocidal wars in history have been waged since that liitle devil-cock sucking racist put pen to paper to justify what he KNEW was bullshit. Its the title to his book. The 'preservation of favored races in the struggle for life.'

Donnely McLeod, Sociocide 34 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19410

[in a thread about water birth]

They [newborns] dont drown because they still have remnants of their evolutionary past at that point. They have gills for 8 months of their life, in water, in a stomache. Do they drown in stomaches? No.

ryanwh, imdb boards 32 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19415

[Continuing to commenting on a child with mental disabilities.]

you don't have to be able to comprehend anything in order to have a soul or to love the god that created you

in this case maybe she didn't love god, so she had to deal with the consequences of that

I dont' see why this is so hard for you people to understand

theSAVED, PennyArcade 28 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19418

humans are made in Gods image and humans have authority over all animals. (no other animal is made in God's image)

That makes humans non-animals. See?...Read Genesis sometime -- it's much more reliable than a dictionary.

supersport, CARM 48 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19419

[I was wondering how many Christians out there really believe Eve was made from Adams rib?
And would you mind giving me a logical scientific explanation that would support this? (I don't see how it's possible, .....but I'll be open minded about it)
so do u really think Eve was really made from one of Adam's ribs?]


I believe. Logical proof? Christians don't need that. We have faith.


ME, Yahoo! Answers 47 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: BarkleyVader

Quote# 19421

[He's known on the board for being an asshole and a bible thumper, and we usually mock him willingly. But you do NOT mock Martin Luther King Jr!]


"Martin Luther King was a liar, a cheat and a filthy commie. He is not the sort of person that America should be paying respect to or honoring by dedication of a national holiday. Quite the contrary in fact. REPEAL THE HOLIDAY FOR AN EVIL COMMUNIST ADULTURER NOW! Stop glorifying a depraved person who lived a satanic lifestyle!"

XenonII, Perspectives.com 31 Comments [1/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Jennifer

Quote# 19349

If you try dating sites you should SPECIFY how important these values are to you.

Avoid any woman that:
Experiments in bisexuality
Has tramp stamps
Has children
Is a feminist
Says anything about being a "Strong Woman"
Blames and projects all her problems on men
Lets you sleep with her earlier than 2 months into the relationship
Says that career is the most important thing to her
Says she wants a man to provide for her (duh, all women do, but if she says it, look out)
Says she is looking for her prince
Is a vegetarian or environmentalist
Plays any kind of testing games on you (see my earlier posts)
Yes, you will have WAY LESS dates, but why waste your time? IF you want sex, hire a sex worker, because most AW are not worth it and at least the sex worker is honest in her intentions.

ChicagoMan, Truth for Men 54 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Miss Moloch

Quote# 19352

Many black slaves have very nice, loving slave owners and those blacks did not want set free. Is that so hard to understand? I do detest BAD slavery! But if bad slaver must be, and obviously there is lots of it even today, one day these people will be liberated and they will be ever so thankful to God for liberating them (in spite of what you think.)

Furthermore, you cannot speak for my righteousness or lack thereof. Did God ever slaughter thousands (as you suggest) just to do it? It begs the question: Why do humans murder other humans? It goes back to Adam sinning and causing death to enter the human race. We sin because we are dying. It is true that this was all planned by God. He planted the tree. He put the serpent in the garden. He made the woman weak. Just because people murder one another does not mean we should approve of the act. We do have courts to put people behind bars for doing that. Yet this is of God too. But if someone came up to me and stabbed me a thousand times I would still thank God knowing it was for my best. God is working all together for good.

TonyN, Internet Infidels 52 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 19354

We wasted 14 months getting to Iraq, while Saddam bloated himself and his UN associates with more “Oil for Food” money, and while he [Saddam] shipped his WMD out of the country so the Dems and the MSM would have some ammo for their propaganda campaign to aid the terrorists

robert108, Say Anything Blog 36 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Major Minor

Quote# 19358

It is not that simple. There is no right or wrong with fantasy itself it is what is the fanstasy about. See Harry Potter is preduced by a witch. The author admits she is Wiccian and said the reason Jesus Christ died on the cross is because Hw was weak. Her books go a lot further than just the imagination. It takes you into witchcraft. Disney was into some wierd stuff too. Peter Pan seems very innocent to me but truth is he is a wiccian god. I know this becuase I studied into it. We had a coven messing with our church for a while. Anyone who wants to say that stuff is not real does not know what they are talking about. I saw some stuff that would scare you. I won't go into detail because people would think I'm crazy. Dungeons and Dragons is the same thing. Role playing games are even worse. They actually make you that person. So if you ever decide to do it in real life it won't be so hard. You will already be callased to it. Fiction and fantisy are not bad but know what your looking at before you use it. Listen to what people have to say. I will close with this. Pokemon seems so kidish and the characters are cute. All that stuff was magic (fire, water, earth or as they call grass, and wind) They even have phycics, ghost, and those with hypnotic powers. They came out with Pokemon Cards just like the game Magic wich is quite wicked. Now for our kids they have Yu-gi-oh. It keeps getting worse. Who puts out a lot of this stuff like Harry Potter, Pokemon, ect? Let me answer that Witches Of The Coast. Hope this has helped you in your decision.Good topic and God Bless!

Mark Shrey2000, fighting fundamental forums 68 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Traitor1

Quote# 19361

Homophobia..... has nothing on Christianphobia!

The religious hatred currently being shown by many secularist liberals and gay rights supporters and campaigners especially towards Christians is appalling. It's ironic for a group of people who claim to know what it was like to be persecuted are now the persecutors, Except their venom and hatred is a 100 times more than anything ever shown to them as far as I can see.

Boltonlad, Guardian ONline 54 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 19365

You got it. The two big winners in the evolutionists world are the rapist and the welfare mother. The basic ideas are that "survival of the fittest" is the only moral law in nature, and that he who dies with the most offspring wins.

Ordinary morality doesnt have any sort of a place in evolutionland.

gungasnake, able2know.com 44 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19373

A thread in which our beloved Carico stumbles from one disastrous misconception to another:

"...what caused the order of the universe, the position of the sun that just happens to give the appropriate amount of heat and light to the earth for life to exist, the moon & stars that "just happen" to be in the right path of the sun to reflect light to the earth at night?"

Later:

"Do you understand that if the sun were one fraction of a centimeter closer to or farther from the earth, that life cloudn't surive on earth?"

And later, after being challenged on it:

"That's hogwash. All you have to do is ask any scientist what would happen if the sun were a fraction of a centimeter closer to or farther from the earth. Even people with common sense would know what would happen."

Carico, CARM 39 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Dave Bailey

Quote# 19376

Escalating in Iraq is exactly what should be happening. After a few tens of thousands of islamists have been annihilated, things might begin to improve.

Mad_Tom_Rackhan, Free Republic 36 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19377

[In reference to crosses at public memorials]

It is a win anytime a soul is saved, and who is to say that the sight of that cross won't bring someone to their knees.

Lisa0315, Christian Forums 34 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 19379

I was heavily involved in D&D for about 2 years. I witnessed people turning away from God and turning to a total life of fantasy. I saw grown men sit in a corner and cry because their character died after they pleaded to their "god" to "save" them. I was trying to be a "good" Christian and played this game like it was going out of style. I quit after I saw that I only got excited about this stupid game and not the things of God. I was offered some serious $$ for my characters, but said no. D&D involves witchcraft, sorcery, demons, and so much more. I've been around folks that were into Witchcraft, had "friends" visit them and other things as well. Thankfully, they were saved from hell by a Loving God. To say this puke means nothing, or have no influence on you is the same as listening to Marilyn Manson or watching pornography and saying they have no influence on you either. This is not reaching for straws or comparing different things. They all come from the same pit of hell. Does it matter who wrote something if it promotes something that is not Godly? Only if you think His standards change. I understand that this part of the forum has folks with different standards, so some of you won't agree with me, but I can live with that too.

P.S. For those that think the Bible has "fiction" in it....what part(s)?


Dan, The Fighting Fundamental Forums 44 Comments [1/13/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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