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Quote# 5798

Here's my logic. If God exists then there must be natural laws(which He created and are easily observable) and supernatural laws(which He also created, but rarely play a part in the natural world). If God does not exist then, at no point in time will there be a 'law' in which science cannot explain.

4God, Internet Infidels 2 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5799

the mere fact that energy comes into this open system from the sun doesnt even begin to explain how complexity can occur. its like a bull ina china shop. people (creationists) ussualy do make straw men arguments against evolutionist using the 2nd law...but its only strawmen because its not complete.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 5 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5800

the first law is violated because evoution does not have an explanation for the origination of matter and energy. its a case of 'you dont know, so what you dont know hurts you'

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 5 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5801

in short that [Hebrews 11:3] is Gods Word agreeing with the first law of thermodynamics. the curse God placed on creation is of course the implimation of the 2nd law.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 2 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5802

... during noahs flood this [water canopy] came crashing down on the earth, so water came down from the heavens and also up from the gorund as great fissures of under ground water came up...where did the waters receede to? dont know off hand but i do know that they did...obvuisly because dry land exsists! =D

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 13 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5803

so if what you are saying is that the first life organisms did not require oxygen at the time but later evolved to incorperate oxygen, then how could evoultuon at the cellular level have occured keeping the organism alive? what i am trying to say is...during evolution the organism would die during the information change in cells as they switch 'jobs'

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 3 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5804

also i would like to again point out how many times evolutionists have had to change thier doctrine. and that God remains unchanged =D if creationsism is a dead horse then why should evolution change so many times due to our resaerch.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 16 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5805

never said snowflakes didnt violate entropy

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 8 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5806

the universe is upheld by the hand of God, always has been it would not have fallen apart, and friction doesnt denote the 2nd law, as the escaped heat would have been recycled

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 2 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5807

lol we are very open to new discoveries and evidence...of course anything we can find to support creation is what we look for, we always keep in mind 'discoveries and claims' to support evolution so that God through us can debunk it.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 12 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5808

God asks that we first beilive and then we will see...as oppose to the perverse and backwards way of thinking today which i s'seeing is beliving'... you should try it and find out for yourself instead of making assumptions.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 4 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5809

...'i could say' 'i could say' 'i could say' im really not interested in what you could say the Lord Jesus Christ is Lord with or without my aproval

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 6 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5810

well sir i do have to admit you have apoint when it comes to 'which god created'... so lets refer to the Word of God which says that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the life no man comes to the Father but by Him. Also those who diligently seek the Truth with all thier heart shall find Jesus because He will not hide from them. thats the only way i can think of right now to decipher the Creator God from falseys =D

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 9 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5811

... science is a poor substitue because it is largely based on the logic of man which is flawed... science which uses Gods logic as oppose to mans is a good science, (which acknowledges that everything in the bible is true)

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 10 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5812

[Replying to 'good science is that which explains the world around us, whether or not it agrees with scripture"]and you know this is true because how? why?

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 8 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5813

huge amounts of evidence do not point towards science in dis-chord with scripture psuedo science on the other hand....welll...=D

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 4 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5814

good science will use the scripture as a giude to faster achievement of true and proper results as the bible has alot to say regarding things of scientific nature. it would be kinda like a giude book by which experiments are done and thinking is done... in other words good science the search for truth will find the bible correct always because it is Truth.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 5 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5815

yes i have taken a biology course. and am aware the evolution is a 'process' but it is a process by which organisms 'evolve' or adapt to thier enviroment blah blah blah...where in the process should lay is in dna thats the point. because dna should contain the ability of evolution but it does not. what dna does show is that it supports the creation model.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 3 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5816

eru good science is not intersted in your baised opniouns of it against the Word of God, because it can be said that science is the search for truth.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 2 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5817

mans logic is flawed because when used does not always produce accurent results or truth, you cannont always reason things correctly. example: we say the butler killed mrs smith... but actually she died of natural causes... you see we can reason and detuct and think all we want. but that wont always produce the truth. this is probably the best reason as to why its flawed. it doesnt help the fact that we cannont tell truth from lie in and of ourselves.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 11 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5818

if we are to use Gods logic for things....might as well use His definition of things as well... hard hearted is one of Gods terms that describes rebellious refusal of Truth. number 1 i think God has more credibility then a dictionary, number2 these things must be taken in context.

JesusChristRep, BlizzForums 3 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5819

But anyway i will just say to you that Islam is unlike anything you know,if you inspect its sharia (Islamic law) you may realize that its really common sense.Put by god to protect each human from protecting sin and if he did it the society or the state must punish him in order to keep the society safe and secure.

Pharaoh, Internet Infidels 7 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5820

When i read the Quran i know as 1 and half billion muslims know that it cant be made by a man. There are many scientific miracles in the Quran. There are many prophesis in the Quran. There is no contradictories in the Quran. From Prophet Muhammed life.You know he is a prophet.He never punished or killed someone without right.Never started a war against anyone. These are things that i can think of right now.

Pharaoh, Internet Infidels 4 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5821

Claims? ok call it what you want and believe what you want to believe.As I and about 1 and half other billion muslims will believe in what we know its true... Can you see gravity?Can you see the air? You dont see them but that doesnt mean they are not there.

Pharaoh, Internet Infidels 19 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5822

There is not one contradiction in the Qur'an. Many enemies have tried to find some and all have failed. You may read something in these types of devious books that may give you doubt, all you have to do is go to the Qur'an and look at the context of the passage.

Pharaoh, Internet Infidels 7 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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