Quote# 142485


Sandi in EL: consensual, or rape - it was still homosexual sex.
The first offer was sex - and Lot offered his daughters to satiate the men. The second offer was force, even being blinded by the angels, the homosexual lust pushed the men on for homosexual sex.
They could have had women, they wanted men - and their lust caused them to be blinded.
God did not allow one out of S&G but Lot and his family. Not one homosexual was considered righteous enough to be brought out of S&G.
It was homosexuality
Learn your Bible, Gug
btw - where is your scripture where the Lord endorses the sin of homosexuality? Thanks

Guglielmo Marinaro : Yes, and the incident of attempted homosexual rape in Sodom (Genesis 19) does not make all homosexual sex wrong, just as the incident of consummated heterosexual rape in Gibeah (Judges 19) does not make all heterosexual sex wrong.
There was no offer of sex, as the text itself plainly shows. That is just your invention, which you are trying dishonestly to add to the narrative. The men of Sodom demanded that Lot bring out his guests to be gang-raped. Lot rightly refused, but then despicably offered them his daughters to rape instead. Yes, they turned down the women, because it was the visitors that they wished to abuse and humiliate, and they resented Lot, an immigrant, passing judgment on them. They then told Lot that they would treat him even worse, thus confirming that rape had been their intention from the start.
The concept of a city in which every single man was homosexual is beyond any sane, intelligent person’s threshold of credulity.
Learn your Bible, Sandi. You can invent things to your heart’s content, but please stop deceitfully claiming that they’re in the Bible. Thanks.

Sandi in EL: Yes it does make all homosexual sex wrong and Christ confirmed that with Leviticus.
There was an offer of sex and Lot offered his daughters to protect the me.
N, we've been here before, "to know" is the term used with Adam and Eve and Eve was not raped.
You don't offer sex to those you wish to abuse and humiliate.
Lot passed judgment because of their evil - homosexuality
You don't want to believe Christ, that's fine. Don't call yourself a follower of Christ then.
You are the one denying Biblical truths, Gug . Learn your Bible
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Guglielmo Marinaro: No, it does not make all homosexual sex wrong any more than the story of the heterosexual gang rape at Gibeah makes all heterosexual sex wrong. The unknown authors of Leviticus make no mention whatever of Sodom in their clumsily worded condemnation of sex between men.
No, you don’t offer sex to those whom you wish to abuse and humiliate, and the men of Sodom didn’t offer sex to the visiting angels. That is purely an invention of yours, as the text conclusively shows. They just demanded that Lot bring out his guests to be gang-raped.
Yes, we have been here before, and you are repeating the same faulty argument as before. The Hebrew verb, yada‘, “to know” when used as a sexual euphemism, refers to sexual congress. It does not imply that the sex is consensual; it may or may not be. The context in which it is used in the Sodom story makes it plain that it refers there to attempted rape, and the very same verb is used of the rape of the Levite’s concubine at Gibeah (Judges 19:25). But you know this perfectly well already, because I have previously pointed it out to you at least twice. By continuing to repeat that crooked argument you are proving your deliberate dishonesty.
Sandi, since you have made plain your determination to keep reiterating – in the teeth of the clear evidence of the text itself – your untruthful claim that your fabrication is part of the Sodom narrative, I won’t waste time on any further discussions with you. There is little point in debating with someone as intellectually dishonest as you are.

Sandi in EL: cut the editorial, and show me scripture when Christ defends the sin

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Sandi in EL: still no scripture Gug? You cannot show where Christ endorses homosexuality?
I've shown you where you are wrong on this before. Look back (edit)



Sandi In El, Premier 8 Comments [2/19/2019 3:09:11 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 142474

[Note: these are all different posts Andy was making within hours of each other; he links to articles in each]

Right after Donald Trump’s election, the SPLC really stoked panic. A pro-gay Episcopal church in Indiana was vandalized w/“Heil Trump,” a swastika, & an anti-gay slur. Turns out it was the gay organ player who did it. He was only charged w/a misdemeanor.

Days after the Pittsburgh massacre, Trump supporters were blamed for Nazi vandalism at a Brooklyn synagogue & fires in a Jewish community. Turns out the perpetrator was a gay black man who had worked with city council on an initiative to fight hate crimes.

One week before the presidential election, a black church in Mississippi was burned in an arson attack. “Vote Trump” was written on the building. After much panic, an investigation revealed that the man responsible was a church member. Andrew McClinton: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/22/miss-black-church-fire-another-highly-publicized-suspected-hate-crime-debunked-police-say/ …

In Nov 2016 a Muslim student at the University of Louisiana said two white racist Trump supporters brutally assaulted her, ripped off her hijab, & robbed her. The story went viral. It was a lie. Media never identified her by name after hoax was revealed.

I remember that Trump & his supporters were blamed for a spate of anti-Semitic, KKK & Nazi graffiti on the campus of Nassau Community College in Long Island in late 2016. The student responsible was Jasskirat Saini: https://abc7ny.com/news/man-charged-after-swastikas-found-at-long-island-college/1666228/ …

In Dec 2016 a Muslim woman said she was attacked by 3 white Trump supporters in NYC on the subway. She said they tried to rip off her hijab. Yasmin Seweid lied. CAIR said Muslims are under tremendous “stress & pressure” resulting in incidents like this.

In Sep. 2018 a black woman in Long Island said Trump supporters confronted her & told her “she didn’t belong here.” Her car tire was slashed the next day & a hateful note was left behind saying “go home.” Adwoa Lewis made up the whole story. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Woman-Who-Found-Hateful-Note-on-Car-After-Teens-Yelled-Trump-2016-Made-Up-Story-Police-493375511.html …

In Nov 2018 students at Goucher College demanded social justice training & safe spaces after racist, Nazi, & KKK graffiti was found on campus. Someone even wrote the names of black students. Trump was blamed. Fynn Arthur, a black student, was responsible.

Andy Ngo, Twitter 12 Comments [2/18/2019 2:42:09 AM]
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Quote# 137147

[context: write down what policy you want to see after a second American civil war]

Woman don't get to vote or work as they get in the way of raising a family.

Absolutely no dual citizenship as it splits your loyalty.

Gun ownership and training are mandatory.

Free speech is unconditional.

Tariffs at the border to protect local industries on price so quality becomes the deciding factor on purchases.

Abolition of permanent welfare except for the disabled. It should be limited to no more than half a year per person.

No difference in the minimum wages between children and adults to encourage employers to hire adults and kids to stay in school.

A single nation wide wholesale fiber network to replace all the copper, cable, etc. that only sells to ISPs at cost which then compete with one another at a national level so prices and services for all telecommunications are equal nationwide.

All drugs are legal for adults and weed for 16+. I don't like the idea of kids smoking dope but they'll find a way of getting fucked up one way or another so being the least evil of all the drugs it would be a method of harm reduction. If anyone got caught supplying other drugs to kids the punishment would be drug free amputation of their dominant hand and if it happened again they'd be publicly hung as a traitor to the community.

Race mixing would be a crime or at the very least go back to the extremely shameful act it was considered 50 years ago.

Jews get expelled/thrown into ovens.

475677, Voat 17 Comments [3/9/2018 12:25:50 PM]
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Quote# 136735

It’s no news to me. Not only transgenderism but homosexuality is being promoted and encouraged. It’s a self-delusional state which not only imposed on them, but everyone else who would otherwise say it’s just wrong. We’re conditioned into thinking it’s somehow brave and admirable to admit sexual deviations from the norm. What percentage of the animal kingdom is actually homosexual?

They will say there are examples in captivity, but that is hardly a natural environment. What percent of them actually prefer their own sex rather than the opposite? No examples I’m aware of. Yet in humans the percentages are increasing as the culture promotes it. It’s not at all something we’re born with, like they claim. It’s conditioned by society. There is also solid scientific evidence that it’s not genetic, according to studies done on identical twins.

Telepathic Intruder, Free Republic 8 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 27118

You'll notice that species adapt to their environment after awhile and other sorts of things from the genetic code they have built in them. In the garden of eden, do you think there were 2 million? of course not. Tazmanian devil won't accept that Biblical account of course. As can't see it. But can see earth billions of years ago apparently and watched the first primitive cell arise and evolve. Well of course he didn't. He's just been told this false theory at school. 2 dimensonal earth? does he know God does thing in 3 dimensions? Your genetic code proves that. Did he tell you that under the bottom skin of a snake there are tiny tiny legs? written up in it's genetic code, that do no good to the snake? But why? natural selection some how thinks and keeps the good parts and disregards the bad parts? some unexplainable evolution? or the fact that when God told the devil in the form of snake that he would crawl on his belly he lost his legs? Believe God, not Tazmanian devil, for the Devil has no mercy on your uneducated soul.

WS-JW, EvC forums 22 Comments [7/11/2007 9:24:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Jarred

Quote# 136085

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All rapists: Castration (of both turkey neck & gizzards). They will then be publicly raped every day for a year; these will be shown on pay-per-view. Rapists participating in gang rape (e.g. “white” frat boys, roaming troops of semi-human blacks, hate-filled little amerind fags, ALL of the jew boys who perpetrate rape via their vile pornography) will be publicly gang-raped for several hours each day — by each other. After a year of this, their turkey neck n’ gizzards will be publically removed & they will be tortured until death.
Home terrorists (AKA those violent apes who commit domestic violence): daily public scourging — also on pay per view.
No, White female taxpayers will no longer pay for the upkeep of male animals in “prisons.” Male animals will be penned up & will have to forage for themselves — until “showtime,” that is ;o)

Marina Orwell, Orwell's Daughter 12 Comments [1/17/2018 11:47:56 PM]
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Quote# 142447

We must do our best to stop the Devil in his tracks. I remember when a relative bought a pair of high-heel shoes for my 11 year old daughter. I told her to take them back to the store. I felt they were not appropriate for a young girl to wear.

One day I heard the same relative tell my daughter that a person's birthday determines their gifts in life. I stopped her immediately and said, "That's New Age garbage, please don't bring that into my home." That's what we all need to do, i.e., take a stand for what is true and right. We all adopt wrong thinking at times since we are surrounded by heresy in society. Peter told Jesus that he would fight to the death to prevent Him from being crucified. Jesus called Peter, Satan, because Peter had adopted some demonic thinking (Mark 8:33). May we all SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES as Jesus commanded in John 5:39 so that we can try (test) the spirits as 1st John 4:1 teaches.

My relative had gotten into astrology. By the way, astrology is witchcraft. All New Age is witchcraft. Witchcraft is seeking help or guidance from spiritual sources other than God or His Word. Yoga is witchcraft. Palm reading is witchcraft. Séances are witchcraft. Horoscopes are witchcraft. I wasn't trying to be mean to my relative, but the Devil had crept into her life and I didn't want her influencing my family for wrong.

A root of bitterness can destroy a person, a family, a church, or a nation. The Federal Reserve system which was started in 1913 is a root of bitterness. It has been the downfall of this great nation financially. Abortion is a root of bitterness. Alcohol is a root of bitterness, it has destroyed countless millions upon millions of lives. Playboy is a root of bitterness, which has destroyed marriages and families all across the world. These are the poisonous roots of evil which destroy lives and ultimately bring God's judgment (Romans 1:32). Hollywood is a root of bitterness. Walt Disney is a root of bitterness. MTV is a root of bitterness. CMT is a root of bitterness. Cigarettes are a root of bitterness.

Illegal drugs are a root of bitterness. The corrupt Pharmaceutical industry is a root of bitterness. Corrupt and evil politicians are a root of bitterness. Crooked judges are a root of bitterness. The Council on Foreign Relations is a root of bitterness. The United Nations is a root of bitterness. The World Bank is a root of bitterness. The IMF organization is a root of bitterness. Gambling is a root of bitterness. Public schools are a root of bitterness.

The Catholic religion is a root of bitterness. The New International Version of the Bible is a root of bitterness. The American Standard version of the Bible is a root of bitterness. The National Council of Churches is a root of bitterness. Sodomy is a root of bitterness. These are ALL deadly poisons.

Yes, there are a lot of poisons in our society... we must be diligent to safeguard our loved ones and our selves from them. God help us!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 15 Comments [2/16/2019 10:06:32 AM]
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Quote# 142467

[Regarding 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18: "Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words."]

The passage is often read at funerals, with the intent to encourage. However, Paul forbids universal application, since he contrasts the way that Christians should grieve against the way that all others grieve, since the rest of humankind have "no hope." He is writing to Christians about Christians. If the audience includes non-Christians, or if non-Christians are among the dead, then the doctrine is not nearly as comforting. The doctrine should not comfort the non-Christians who mourn, since they will not share in the glory of the return of Christ, or in the resurrection of Christians. And the doctrine should not encourage anyone about the deceased non-Christians, since death spells the commencement of a kind of suffering for them that strains our ability to fathom, although we applaud the justice of it.

Even as Paul addresses those who might be in mourning, and even as he writes to the Christian living about the Christian dead, he makes an attack on the unbelievers. Unless a minister has warrant to assume that he is speaking to Christians about Christians, he is a liar if he applies the doctrine of the glorious resurrection of the saints as if it applies to all in the audience, and at a funeral, as if it applies to the one in the coffin. If the minister is aware that his audience includes non-Christians, and if he is aware that the deceased was an unbeliever, then what excuse does he have to say anything other than, "Look! God is punishing this man – your father, your husband, your son, your friend, this relative of yours – even now...God is punishing him, torturing him, burning him up even now! Your wife, your mother, your sister, your daughter...she is now screaming out in pain and agony! She is crying for help, but there is only endless suffering before her, forever. And if you do not repent, you will likewise perish! Repent, for soon it will be your time to face the Lord!"

Vincent Cheung, Commentary On 1 & 2 Thessalonians 13 Comments [2/17/2019 12:32:11 PM]
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Quote# 142471

I have some bad news for you all, I have reproduced. I have been happily married for 19 years to a former Levi's model from Mexico. I have never been divorced. We have two children, a girl age 11 and a boy age 14. Since I was financially successful in business, I no longer need to work for a living and now have the time to homeschool my kids. I currently divide my time between my current business, which I run from home, and homeschooling. I teach my kids to think for themselves and not accept any beliefs without skepticism.

I have been to Europe. I spent 6 months traveling around the world with my wife, about half of which was in Europe. My parents are from Hungary and they also have a European perspective. I have a good understanding of European history and culture, and the mistaken assumption of Horsefeathers is that prostitution is banned in America because of the puritanical and Victorian values that America got from England. But New Zealand has these same influences and has some of the world's most liberal prostitution laws.

I am not ugly and have never been out of shape. I was rejected by American women because I am a decent person. American women, being the scum of the earth, naturally reject decent men.

One of my frustrations with the internet is that people hide behind pseudonyms and are all talk and no action. My user name, fschmidt, is short for my real name, Franklin Schmidt. I live in El Paso, Texas. On the love-shy forum, I encourage men to stop complaining and to take action to improve their situation. Those of you here who would like to beat the shit out of me should come to El Paso and give it a shot. I would be more than happy to arrange a meeting in El Paso with anyone here. I can be reached at [email protected] .

Fschmidt, FSTDT 16 Comments [2/17/2019 12:43:21 PM]
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Quote# 142421

Sid Cordle: The law should just ask if there was another printer who could do the banner? If so then what is the problem? There has to be reasonable accommodation for people who conscientously object to promoting homosexuality. I mean the law wouldn't force an Asian restaurant to serve pork when there's another restaurant down the road that does and they know full well Asian restaurants by and large think its wrong to eat pork. There has to be reasonable accommodation for the ethics of the business.

HoratioLordNelson: Ageed. He wasn't refusing to serve them because they were gay, which most would agree is wrong. He was refusing to promote a message with which he disagrees. Same as Ashers bakery, and even Peter Tatchel came out in their defence. They could have found another printer but no they had to viciously stick the knife in with a vindictive prosecution, persecuting those who refuse to endorse their agenda, those who demanded tolerance showing themselves incapable of tolerance themselves. The LGBT lobby never waste a chance to demonstrate the true vicious intolerant nature of their agenda, you reap what you sow, the tide will turn against them one day. When are they going to start going after muslim businesses in the same fashion? No, they only want the easy low hanging fruit offered by christians, and the courts have declared open season and rich pickings to be had.

Sid Cordle & HoratioLordNelson, Premier 10 Comments [2/15/2019 12:40:16 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 131203

Oh, have no worries, I won't visit her at all. However, I'd like to try sleeping with her when she turns 12 if I can find her then but who knows what will happen by then


caamib, RedditArchive 60 Comments [9/3/2017 9:47:16 AM]
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Quote# 142425

[Experiment] Have all "spiritual" individuals, even like gandhi, priests, businessmen, etc. all been underlyingly blackpilled and angry at not being chad?

Seems like everything thesep eople do is some underlying cheap trick to have waht chad had which came straightforward for him. Wherem oney, spiritual glory, god, etc. all will give him in some way or another the same primal currency chad had from the very beginning. Just in some roundabout way.
Where their endeavors are just a cleverly shady route towards getting to the level of value chad had in some way or another.

Eugenicist, incels.is 8 Comments [2/15/2019 12:40:52 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142455

(((Valentine's Day)))

_wifebeater_, incels.is 14 Comments [2/16/2019 10:06:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142431

(=Video title "Is it possible Near death experiences are demonic deceptions, designed to discredit what the Bible?"=)

Pixi: Yes this is something I have come to realise, that the enemy can indeed give a false nde to an unsaved person. Because some people claim to see an 'Angel' that tells them things that I know for a fact a true Angel of God would never say. Telling them it's ok to be a practicing homosexual indulging in sodomy for example.. It's actually terrifying when you think about it.. Because these poor people believe it. I don't understand why God allows the fallen ones to do this.. I've been praying he stops them. Remember, Satan has no creative powers of his own and has a sloppy counterfeit for everything God does.?

L C: Pixi can u give me the link??

Pixi: @L C Hello. It wasn't in a video that particular thing, it was in a book about ndes and obes from gay and lesbian people. I stopped reading it after the part when a man said his 'angel' told him hell didn't exist and that God made gay people and was happy he was gay.?

L C: Pixi then can u give me the book *laughing emoji

Pixi: @L C I had to go do a little research as I couldn't recall the name, but it's "Crossing over and coming home" by Liz Dale. But remember, it's largely a deception.?

L C: Pixi don’t worry i will read it with caution thx anyway *smiley emoji*


Pixie and LC, Youtube 8 Comments [2/15/2019 12:42:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 142472

Very short question and a very long trip for answer. You know that you are born in the Christ Michael kingdom. A creator son (there are 700,000 of them). First after death, one part of you, your thought Ajuster this divine part that you have received at about 5.5 years old at your first moral act will leave you and joints HIs Father God for a while, Your other part, your immortal soul that has developed with the help of your thought adjuster will be transported to the system universe created by your Christ Michael where you are going to be reassembled with you Thought adjuster, (resurrected) instructed, and trained. On there you will believe that you are already on Paradise because you will find that there are 10 categories of life compared to two on earth (vegetable and animal) moreover you will find that the periodic table of elements is now 200 instead of 100 on earth. Everything is beauty. nicer and nicer. You live on architectural spheres created by our Christ, After instructions on 8 of those spheres you are going to be transported to the capital of this local system (Jerusem), After a long stay there you are going to be transported to one of the 100 constellations created by Michel where you are going to be schooled and trained on 771 spheres, Being graduated from the constellation you are going to be transported to the capital of the kingdom of Christ where you are going to be trained and instructed on additional 491 spheres, Remark here that each time you were transported on a new sphere you were given a new body to better fit your new intellect. On or around this capital there are now 500 elements this imply much more beauty, Before leaving the kingdom of Christ you are going to graduate as first stage spirit, 6 more to conquer. Then you will be transported to one of the minor sector of the milky way, then on one of the 10 major sector of the Milky Way to find more instructions and training then comes the capital of the Milky Way with 800 elements and 491 spheres where to learn and be trained.

Then come the very long transport towards 1 billion spheres circling around paradise in seven circuits, each of them with 1000 elements, imagine the beauty. unfortunately you will have to learn and be trained on each of them. You will finally reach the last one as a 6 stage spirit before being transported for the last time to paradise. You do not perceive time during those transports .When you awake in Paradise you will stay awake up for eternity.

Why all this training? on earth you learn to be either a doctor an engineer or an accountant

now you have learned to be a son of God, After your long stay on Paradise. You will be graduated as a 7th stage spirit before departing for somewhere in the universe to instruct and train the new inhabitants, As you see God need you he need us to grow up His universe.

We were told go and multiply yourself exactly for this reason.

Charles A. Veilleux, B.A., B.Sc. B.Sc.A Materials Science and Engineering, Université Laval, Québec (1961), Quora 12 Comments [2/17/2019 12:44:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 142432

They always have been deceptions.

Not once in the bible was their a page where someone had a nde went to Heaven talked too God and then sent back too Earth to talk about their dream.

Not once.

Darth Bane, Youtube 9 Comments [2/15/2019 12:42:41 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 142434

Good news anyway! The reason that scientists are respected is their respect and insistance in truth and fact. But it is against common sense
that evolutionism get so strong surpport from them even if it is obviously self-contradictory and shortage of evidence. So many most intelligent brains in history or now have been cheated by it: why? because behind it is Satan, who has cheated and manipulated the Children of Adam into death and the Hell for thousands of years. If it were not Jesus, God Himself, came into this world to deal with him, we were, are and shall be its victims for ever, no matter we have the most intelligent brains or not.

Jesusmary, Christian News Network 12 Comments [2/15/2019 12:43:02 PM]
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Submitted By: Bob J

Quote# 142441

When we hear our ears buzzing or ringing, our bodies are really tuning into a higher frequency wavelength. We are created from photons, when we increase in density and vibration, our frequencies are then heightened to new levels.

This is attributed to getting “downloads” of new energy or a transfer of energy currents causing pressure to build. Similarly this is common during the stages of Astral Projection. Right before you project your consciousness during the hypnagognic state, there is a change in the frequency of the wavelength. Therefore as you release your physical body to astral project the density changes in a similar fashion.

It’s a weird feeling at first because it isn’t external, it’s very much an internal ringing because it’s connecting to your consciousness. Most commonly they occur during astrological events, solar flares or energy shifts.

Shortly after we can sometimes experience: insights, visions, seeing energy orbs, closed visuals, dizziness or feeling a bit disoriented for a small time after they take place.

If it becomes too much of a bother, just ask your spirit guides or angels to help you turn it down a notch. While it can be a little overbearing just know that it’s a good thing rather than an annoying thing. It means you’re basically tuning up like a tuning fork into the higher dimensions of consciousness.

Ashley, The Awakened State 16 Comments [2/15/2019 12:47:53 PM]
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Quote# 142453

(Submitter's note: This is a follow-up to this story.)

Woman claims discrimination by SC foster agency over her religion

Author: By MEG KINNARD Associated Press

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — A Catholic mother says a federally funded South Carolina foster agency abruptly stopped working with her and won't allow her to foster children because she's "not the right kind of Christian."

In a federal lawsuit filed Friday, Aimee Maddonna and her lawyers say Miracle Hill Ministries is unconstitutionally discriminating against non-Protestants. The lawsuit challenges a waiver granted this year to the Greenville agency, which previously has come under fire for denying services to same-sex couples and non-Christian families.

Last year, South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster requested a waiver exempting the state from an Obama-era regulation preventing publicly licensed and funded foster care agencies from servicing specific religions. That request was granted last month.

But years before Miracle Hill's actions toward non-Christians became an issue, Maddonna says the agency first encouraged her to become a foster parent but then cut off ties when they realized the Simpsonville mother is Catholic and not a "born-again" Protestant, as the agency's rules require.

Maddonna first reached out to Miracle Hill in 2014, when the mother of three decided that it was time to welcome more children into her home. Maddonna, who grew up in a household full of foster children, many with special needs, told The Associated Press in an exclusive interview she wanted her children to be able to develop the same foster sibling bonds she had.

"I wanted to open up my family and my home to kids in need," Maddonna said. "I have the view that every child has the ability to enrich the lives of adults around them, too."

For weeks, Maddonna says conversations continued with Miracle Hill officials, who set up a final interview before she was to be approved as a foster parent. In a conversation ahead of that meeting, Maddonna says she was asked to give the name of her church.

"By the name, you can tell it's a Catholic parish," Maddonna said. She says the Miracle Hill representative "immediately responded back with, 'I'm sorry, we only employ volunteers and mentors who are Protestant Christian.'"

"I've never considered myself a religious minority until that moment," Maddonna said. "I had to tell my kids that, because we're Catholic, we can't take these kids out for ice cream and cheer them on at their games. I was devastated."

In the last fiscal year, Miracle Hill received nearly $600,000 in state and federal funding, the organization's president has said.

Rachel Laser - president and CEO for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, whose lawyers are handling Maddonna's case - says that despite the waiver's specific language concerning Christianity, Miracle Hill is unconstitutionally discriminating against non-Protestants.

"This is a problem that the government has caused. If Miracle Hill were a private entity not accepting state and federal money, then they could decide with their private money whom they served," Laser said. "Aimee isn't the right kind of Christian, so they don't serve her."

Named in the lawsuit are Gov. McMaster, the South Carolina Department of Social Services and the federal Department of Health and Human Services. Spokespeople for McMaster and the federal Department of Health and Human Services did not immediately return messages Friday seeking comment on the lawsuit.

On an online form used to request more information about the foster care program, Miracle Hill describes itself as "a non-denominational, Christian organization based upon a protestant statement of faith." An informational sheet provided to AP describes a viable foster parent as "a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ as expressed by a personal testimony and Christian conduct," going on to note further that the applicant must be an active participant of a protestant congregation.

An online frequently-asked-questions section notes that, while Jews or Catholics "wouldn't be a good fit for Christian leadership roles at Miracle Hill, such as in our foster-care and mentoring programs," the organization can help connect them with other groups where they can serve.

Maddonna recently reached out to Miracle Hill again, to see whether their policy had changed, but she said she received no response.

"When most people think of people being turned away, they think of equally despicable circumstances where a gay couple or a Jewish couple is turned away," Maddonna said. "If you don't protect the rights of everybody, it sets a precedent that will eventually touch on you."

Miracle Hill Ministries, WLTX 8 Comments [2/16/2019 8:04:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 142454

So what, Chronicles was probably written by the liar Ezra and serves as an example of "fake news" to be contrasted with Kings. The purpose of the Old Testament is to teach you how to think. I follow the Old Testament.

fschmidt, r/Vent 13 Comments [2/16/2019 10:06:45 AM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142458

Lady Checkmate's headline: "A Country That Won’t Hesitate to Murder Babies, Will Not Hesitate to Take Everything You Own and Murder You"

THE PEN
FEBRUARY 15, 2019
Trucks not Trains. Incineration Plants instead of Ovens. Systematic Murder of the Unborn
Editor’s Note: The holocaust of our time has become little more than business as usual. From the abortionists like Planned Parenthood’s sale of body parts to the final incineration of the remaining deemed useless...

(link goes here: https://pulpitandpen.org/2018/04/10/2018-sbc-pastors-conference-affirmative-action-action-predictable-result/)

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Mick Williams:
Remember how Obamacare required 'end of life counseling'? They also want to push the elderly to an early grave, since that would free up a lot of healthcare dollars for illegals.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 12 Comments [2/16/2019 10:07:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 138471

[A Kiwi Farms member finds out about one of its posts being featured on this site.]

Fucking lol, way to miss my entire point. Occupy Wallstreet's massive failure hurt all the working poor, especially your precious disabled groups (who probably don't actually work and just collect disability), Obama's massive failure hurt them and was basically a gigantic gift to the insurance companies and ensured ways that it'd be dismantled anyway. He also established the precedent of executive orders, which is now being used by Trump against them. These people are such ignorant faggots it hurts. Obama's first term wasted all of his political cred on basically an insurance giveaway and then was a complete lame duck who relied on reversible executive orders to do anything. Wow, such a great fucking president. Bitch, please.

People deserve to be publicly executed in cruel and unusual ways for words said on the internet. Got it.


THESE WORDS ARE KILLING 503424235 TRANNIES EVERY DAY YOU MONSTER


Secret Asshole, Kiwi Farms 11 Comments [6/30/2018 8:04:38 AM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 142464

We have always known that Salvini is controlled opposition. Salvini used to be a Communist https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-what-you-need-to-know-about-italian-strongman-matteo-salvini-1.6726833. The problem with staying in the EU is that eventually it will become impossible to go up against the EU. Meaning, with the threats of Brexit, the yellow vests, Golden Dawn, etc. the EU is going to attempt to strengthen its tentacles around the countries that are members of it. The longer Italy stays in the EU, the more entrenched “European values” (infinite niggers, infinite austerity, infinite Bolshevism) will become in our own laws. Italy better hold a referendum to leave the EU, the common currency, NATO, etc. sooner rather than later, otherwise we will be completely immersed in the wave of “enrichment”.


CARLO ABRUZZI, Forza Nuova USA 9 Comments [2/16/2019 5:02:13 PM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 142417

GUNSMOSLEM: there’s a fair amount to dislike about the muslim religion but way up on the list are ... vocal ex muslims

death cab for covfefe: Those ppl sound fcking miserable. “My family abused me wah way”

GUNSMOSLEM and death cab for covfefe, Twitter 9 Comments [2/13/2019 2:01:54 PM]
Fundie Index: 3

Quote# 142459

Lady Checkmate's headline: "First American Legally Recognized as 'Non-Binary' Reclaims Birth Sex, Disavows Trans Ideology as 'Fraud'"

First American Legally Recognized as 'Non-Binary' Reclaims Birth Sex, Disavows Trans Ideology as 'Fraud'

'Harmful Gender Ideologies Are Ruining Lives, Causing Deaths, and Contributing to the Sterilization and Mutilation of Gender-Confused Children'

(Link goes here: https://www.christiandailyreporter.com/)

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Mick Williams:
We'll never see this on ABC, NBC, et al. You can bet your life savings.

Lady Checkmate:
Nah. This story doesn't fit their agenda.



Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 13 Comments [2/16/2019 10:07:14 AM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Jocasta